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rw

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Icon 1 posted July 02, 2003 06:56      Profile for rw   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I think Blog Man called tech support for a large ISP but met a fate worse than being put on hold -- he actually got someone on the phone and spent the next demimillenium going through the pointless process their tech support makes you go through before they even listen to your problem, including but not limited to:

o Repeating everything you already did before calling tech support,
o Unplugging everything and plugging it back in,
o Trying things obviously unrelated to your problem,
o Taking steps that make sense for an earlier version of your OS, but not yours,
o Resetting all your computer's preferences to things you don't prefer and then repeating all of the above.
o ...

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Icon 10 posted July 02, 2003 10:11      Profile for Snaggy   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
lol... the horror, the horror!
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Icon 3 posted July 02, 2003 22:50      Profile for GeekAvenger   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I think that he got given de-caffinated coffee in the morning, and died from it...

Then when his body decomposed all the previously ingested coffee was regurgitated, hence the colour... [Big Grin]

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Icon 1 posted July 03, 2003 06:05      Profile for rw   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
quote:
Originally posted by GeekAvenger:
de-caffinated coffee

Ooooh ... *shudder* ... You'll give me nightmares!
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Icon 1 posted July 03, 2003 07:55      Profile for GMx     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
He was still running OS 9 and waiting for Conflict Catcher to find his extention conflict. [Big Grin]
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He was trying to reach the end of the internet.
He was reading the entire GC Boards.
He was looking for a seg fault in his code.

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Icon 1 posted July 03, 2003 10:20      Profile for dragonman97   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
He was searching the GC Forums...

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Icon 1 posted July 03, 2003 12:24            Edit/Delete Post 
it's quite obvious that blog man was going for that ultimate blog entry that everyone else is too chicken to attempt:

the final thoughts of a dying geek.

he overdosed on pain killers and typed right up to his last breath, which he used to hit the "submit" button.

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Icon 1 posted July 03, 2003 13:09      Profile for Punk Rawk Poet     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
He loved the porn, and twas the porn that killed him. [Razz]

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quote:
Originally posted by Punk Rawk Poet:
He loved the porn, and twas the porn that killed him. [Razz]

Why do I now have a vision of Freddie Mercury from Queen singing "Too much Porn will kill you"? [Smile]

<bad taste>Although in Freddie's case, sticking with the porn may have been safer</bad taste>

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Blogmans last words ....

"I'm not quitting till I've found those fscking Weapons of Mass Destruction !"

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Icon 1 posted July 03, 2003 23:51      Profile for The Famous Druid     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
quote:
Originally posted by rw:
I think Blog Man called tech support ...

o Unplugging everything and plugging it back in,

Actually, I did second line tech support for a year or so, and about half of the calls I got (and bear in mind, these were calls passed to me when the first line phone-monkeys were unable to resolve the problem) were solved by getting the user to power off the modem, count to 5, and power it back on.

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That reminds me (although this is off-topic) - what's with leaving devices off for a while when resetting them, particularly computers? How can what's in the RAM of a computer before you switch it off possibly have any effect on it after you turn it on again? It's not like the BIOS and OS are going to try reading anything from uninitialised RAM - only RAM addresses where they've written data.

I have to say, though - if my Mac crashes (and I usually just three-key it or type RB in MacsBug to reboot it*), then it's almost guaranteed to crash again a few hours, but not again after that... puzzles me.

(*unless the power management hardware crashes, and then it won't come on again until it's left off at the wall for at least 5, maybe 10 seconds or more, or, sometimes, I've got to repeatedly press the front power button as fast as it can power cycle until I beat the power management hardware into submission. But then I knew it had problems before I bought it - the entire range did.)

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Icon 1 posted July 04, 2003 04:47      Profile for The Famous Druid     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
quote:
Originally posted by uilleann:
That reminds me (although this is off-topic) - what's with leaving devices off for a while when resetting them, particularly computers? How can what's in the RAM of a computer before you switch it off possibly have any effect on it after you turn it on again? It's not like the BIOS and OS are going to try reading anything from uninitialised RAM - only RAM addresses where they've written data.

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The voltage doesn't go straignt to 0 when you turn something off, there's a slow decline in voltage that can keep some of the chips 'live' for a few seconds after you switch off. This can easily be seen by watching the little LEDs on the front, they stay on for a bit after you flick the switch.

With modems and the like, if they get themselves in a confused state the only sure way of reseting them is with a power cycle, and in my experience, that usually means counting to 5.

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I'm not a hardware geek, but it sees to me:

I suppose that flip flops in general would retain a charge a little over the clock-cycle or two by design, in case something happens to the clock. Tri-state devices (often used in registers and ram) could hold a value as well (at least a little while)...

I suppose that cards and external devices would want to hold a charge for a little while, because the clock cycle of different computers are different, and if the wait was too short, it may not work in all systems... Like wise the pipe-line would have to completely empty, else a left over instruction or two would create problems as well.

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Tri state or not, barring equipment failure a flip flop will hold it's value until the end of time as long as sufficient power is present to operate the circuit. Clock speed is not a factor.

Most if not all devices inside a modern computer have their own, separate microprocessors. It is possible that even when the main CPU is reset, one or more of these other uProcessors were locked up and did not reset. That is why to perform a complete and total reset, you must turn off system power, and wait several seconds for all the power to drain from the capacitors (which can store enough power to run the circuits for a short time even after system power is removed). It is important to note that many "soft" power supplies do not actually shut off completely when you hit the power button; depending on the combination of power supply and motherboard, your computer may continue to provide power to peripheral devices, such as the mouse and keyboard, even when they're supposedly "off". You can tell this is happening when, even though the computer is "off", the lights on the keyboard stay lit, permanently, and not just momentarily from stored charge in the capacitors. That is a really stupid design, because it makes it difficult to actually perform a true power off reset, or even difficult to KNOW for sure whether or not you have performed a true power off reset! Furthermore, in many situations where a reset is necessary, it is because the computer is locked up, in which case the soft power switch ceases to operate because it requires response from the software to turn off the computer! It's like a car design that puts the car keys inside the locked car! You should instead use the master power switch located on the back of the power supply. This switch bypasses everything and turns off power at it's source--it's almost as good as unplugging it.

Speaking of resets, I'm not sure why this works (I have 2 hypothesis) but I have developed a trick to get finicky computers to boot. If you just get a black screen when you reset the computer, and you know all the components are good, and the video card is good, and there is no reason it shouldn't boot, or it only boots every tenth time you turn it on, do this: Do a power off reset, but start holding in the reset switch before you turn on the power, and do not release it until a second *after* the power is on. In fact I am typing this message on a very old computer, which the ONLY way to get it to boot is to do this. As I said, I do not really know why this works, but I believe it has something to do with synchronizing the timing amoung the CPU and all the peripherals. Perhaps the BIOS doesn't wait long enough for one of the cards to "wake up" and holding reset for a second gives one of the card's uProcessors time to boot before the main CPU tries to access it. Or perhaps something is not waiting for the "power good" signal and holding reset gives the power supply time to stabilize. (Power supplies do not instantly reach the correct voltage, and even once they reach full voltage, they may be unstable for a few milliseconds while their component circuits charge up. This process takes much less than 1 second, but in computer circuits a second is a long time. Therefore computers are supposed to wait for the "power good" signal from the power supply before attempting to run.)

Holding reset and power at the same time when power is already on may allow you to cause a soft power supply to shut off even when the computer is locked up.

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You know Macs - wtf do they need proper power switches for? ;-) This clone doesn't have one, and nor does my old Mac IIvx which also has a power circuit - this clone only has a button wired to the power circuit, and the IIvx doesn't have a power button at all.

I don't feel like retyping the rest of this post - another WinampMac crash lost the last one (I still don't know why - that was what did me in last time - a first crash causes a second; needless to say I'm using SoundApp for now).

But I'll try this trick of holding reset while I power up next time it refuses to reboot or turn on. thanks.

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Icon 1 posted July 05, 2003 09:31      Profile for The Famous Druid     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
quote:
Originally posted by MrMachineCode:
It is important to note that many "soft" power supplies do not actually shut off completely when you hit the power button; depending on the combination of power supply and motherboard, your computer may continue to provide power to peripheral devices, such as the mouse and keyboard, even when they're supposedly "off".

My new PC does this, the little red light on the USB optical mouse stays on, even when the PC is powered off.

<rant>
It's really dumb. Aside from the fear of wearing out moving parts in USB hard-drives and the like, it's just plain wrong to waste power when the fscking thing is supposed to be turned off.
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Icon 1 posted July 05, 2003 10:17      Profile for dragonman97   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
quote:
Originally posted by The Famous Druid:
My new PC does this, the little red light on the USB optical mouse stays on, even when the PC is powered off.

Then I don't think your PC is turned off [Frown] . USB devices are not supposed to get power from the PC when it's off - heck, if the PC doesn't boot properly, and your mouse isn't properly initialized, it should turn off on its own. Your mouse is plugged into the PC & not a USB hub, right? Make sure your PC is really off, and not in some kind of standby - after turning it off, pull the power cord, and see if you see/hear anything different with the CPU. And when you plug it back in, but without turning it on, see if the mouse receives power.

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The Famous Druid:
After having been introduced to Macs, when I finally got one of my own, the one thing I really desired was one which I could turn on by pressing a key on the keyboard :) (which the IIvx does, and now so does this).

The one thing that I then went on to desire was hibernation - such that I can turn it off for the night and yet not exit my apps or shutdown. The best Mac OS supports though is reduced power mode - with 56k, it left me connected and apps would still download stuff. With cable via Ethernet, sleep mode seems to shut Ethernet off.

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quote:
Originally posted by dragonman97:
quote:
Originally posted by The Famous Druid:
My new PC does this, the little red light on the USB optical mouse stays on, even when the PC is powered off.

Then I don't think your PC is turned off [Frown] . USB devices are not supposed to get power from the PC when it's off - heck, if the PC doesn't boot properly, and your mouse isn't properly initialized, it should turn off on its own. Your mouse is plugged into the PC & not a USB hub, right? Make sure your PC is really off, and not in some kind of standby - after turning it off, pull the power cord, and see if you see/hear anything different with the CPU. And when you plug it back in, but without turning it on, see if the mouse receives power.
The keyboard lights on my sister's PC never go out when the power supply is turned "off"--and it is not a USB device, nor even a PS/2 keyboard, rather it is indeed the older AT style keyboard plug (which is functionally equivalent to a PS/2 port; the jack is merely physically larger). As the AT keyboard port is mounted directly on the motherboard, this would appear to suggest that the power supply is still giving the motherboard power on some of it's wires (the ones that lead to the keyboard port) while off is the main power.
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