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quantumfluff
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Icon 1 posted December 23, 2002 08:02      Profile for quantumfluff     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Brilliant JOT today. I am saddened however, by the thought that the emacs and vi users would never actually end their flame war [Wink]
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Icon 1 posted December 23, 2002 09:09      Profile for dragonman97   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Oh, I think that flame war will live on for ages.
There shall always be heated debates between the users of the highly efficient, "move mountains with a few keystrokes" editor, and the "thermonuclear, do-everything, comes with the kitchen sink" editor.

:wq

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Icon 1 posted December 23, 2002 13:33      Profile for Lex   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
pico rocks [Wink]

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nano rocks [Smile]
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atto rules! [Smile]
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Icon 6 posted December 24, 2002 02:32      Profile for Alan!     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
uh... i love textpad?

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Icon 1 posted December 24, 2002 03:37      Profile for Tut-an-Geek   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
quote:
Originally posted by Alan!:
uh... i love textpad?

LOL
go "edit"!

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Icon 1 posted December 24, 2002 08:53      Profile for CyberGoddess   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
pico > all [Smile]

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BBEdit/pico :)
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Icon 1 posted December 25, 2002 18:15      Profile for Adam Atlas   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
People say that "Emacs (Escape-Meta-Alt-Control-Shift) does everything except make coffee". Except it does. I hear there's a component for GNU Emacs that lets it control certain compatible coffee-makers, and I'm not kidding. I don't know where you can get it (I just heard about it in some UNIX book), but it seems it was developed by the XEmacs team. I'll leave finding a compatible coffee-maker up to you.

Personally, I, too, am partial to Pico/Nano, but when their forced text-wrapping gets in the way I use vi. (Hey, is there any way to turn the text wrapping off?)

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quantumfluff
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Icon 1 posted December 25, 2002 19:21      Profile for quantumfluff     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I'm still fond of TECO myself. The primordial editor which was used to host the first emacs.

EX$$

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Icon 1 posted December 25, 2002 21:16      Profile for Rednivek     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Preditor is the best editor I have ever used... it allows you to switch between emulation modes (vi, emacs, ISPF, whatever) on the fly and on the same file....

One stop shopping.

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Icon 1 posted December 25, 2002 22:52      Profile for GameMaster   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Pico on *nix
Metapad for Windows

Emacs tabs are awful (auto tabs code, and it defaults to (2) spaces instead of real tabs), vi is a cryptic mess. Pico, on the other hand, works over Telnet, and has fairly obvious control keystrokes.

Honest;y, the Tabs are the biggest thing that bothers me about E-macs, if I could find where to turn those into real tab charictors, I'd be happy with Emacs.

Metapad can open for editing in DOS or UNIX format, it has accelerations that you can set to run external programs on the file being edited (read: compile it, veiw it in a web-Broswer, or run it through the DOS port of Aspell). It's free, but it's not open.... Can't win them all.

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Icon 1 posted December 26, 2002 10:47      Profile for Charisma   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
You KNOW pico kicks ass.
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SimpleText ROCKS!
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Icon 1 posted December 26, 2002 22:33      Profile for Shadow     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
quote:
Originally posted by Adam Atlas:
People say that "Emacs (Escape-Meta-Alt-Control-Shift) does everything except make coffee". Except it does. I hear there's a component for GNU Emacs that lets it control certain compatible coffee-makers, and I'm not kidding. I don't know where you can get it (I just heard about it in some UNIX book), but it seems it was developed by the XEmacs team. I'll leave finding a compatible coffee-maker up to you.

Personally, I, too, am partial to Pico/Nano, but when their forced text-wrapping gets in the way I use vi. (Hey, is there any way to turn the text wrapping off?)

For pico you can try putting a -w after the pico on a command line.
EX.
pico -w randomJCode.cpp

this should get rid of that nasty text-wrapping. [Smile]

As for editors I think they all have their own charm. It really depends on what you are trying to do.

In any case, I agree it is amusing to see how long the VI vs EMACS holy war has gone on. The question is, will this happen with BBedit and TextPad? (Both nice programs for writing code. [Smile] )

-Shadow

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Icon 2 posted December 27, 2002 06:16      Profile for greycat   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
quote:
Personally, I, too, am partial to Pico/Nano, but when their forced text-wrapping gets in the way I use vi. (Hey, is there any way to turn the text wrapping off?)
nano -w
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err as a gui option i like bbedit
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Icon 1 posted December 28, 2002 16:58      Profile for dragonman97   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
For GUI text editors, I like Kate under KDE, and at work while using Windows, I use gVim (but then, it's really just for text interface, not the GUI.

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Anyone else used ae (ash editor)? I have a feeling that it looked like pico (or something, I've not used either for some time now). ash came on my Debian install discs, I don't know where it's normally used.

SimpleText, though, is dreadful - Apple laid down an OS design that did not cater for multiple open instances of any application, so why did they create TeachText that can only open one file at once, and then make it into SimpleText which has no Window menu and opens all windows on top of each other so you can't see most of them? (There's more than that wrong with it) SimpleText belongs in the Hall of Shame, not Fame.

Then again, Windows Notepad was particularly lame too [Smile] (the 2000 version has got its act together at last, though)

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Icon 1 posted December 29, 2002 12:52      Profile for CyberGoddess   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Eh, notepad works for coding HTML [Smile]

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Icon 1 posted December 30, 2002 07:14      Profile for LostInColorado     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I simply can't decide... vi and vim are great for editing system files and, not too often, edit files on remote systems.

But when it comes to writing code, I usually switch to xemacs.

Nope, I am not bothered by the fake tabs [Wink]

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CyberGoddess: I guess you're not one to use ctrl-s for save then? (added in 2k, woohoo, only took them 10 years or something) (the size limit was probably not an issue for HTML, though).

I used to use TextPad (didn't realise it was popular until recently when I've been seeing/hearing it mentioned. Then I got a Mac LC and dropped back down to TeachText :P

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The New VI is where it's at!

http://www.thenewvi.com

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Icon 1 posted January 03, 2003 02:26      Profile for spungo     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
How about considering it from a practical point of view? What if you are required to edit files on a variety of *nix machines for a living - how many text editors are more or less guaranteed to reside on all the boxes?

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