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Maggs
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Icon 1 posted March 13, 2007 16:47      Profile for Maggs     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Today, I proceded to make 6,000 useless copies at work. I didn't know at the time, they would be useless, I'm sorry trees [Frown]
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GrumpySteen

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Icon 1 posted March 13, 2007 17:29      Profile for GrumpySteen     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
If it makes you feel any better, the forests that died were old growth forests on the North American continent. They were long since destroyed, however, so your waste didn't kill the rainforest or any other forest..

Most paper in the US and Canada comes from trees grown and harvested on tree farms because it's far cheaper that way. The harvested areas are replanted and harvested again in 15-25 years, depending on species.

That sounds good except that tree farms don't provide the biological diversity needed to allow most other species of plants and animals to co-exist. If we used less paper, some of those areas could be returned to a more natural state, so you can feel bad about perpetuating the tree farms if you want.

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Icon 1 posted March 13, 2007 17:37      Profile for nerdwithnofriends     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Well, maybe you could recycle all of it to at least partially offset the guilt.


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Icon 1 posted March 13, 2007 18:06      Profile for ScholasticSpastic     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Steen wrote:
That sounds good except that tree farms don't provide the biological diversity needed to allow most other species of plants and animals to co-exist. If we used less paper, some of those areas could be returned to a more natural state, so you can feel bad about perpetuating the tree farms if you want.

Amen, brother! The bit that kind of makes me a little pissy is that tree farms could be planted in a way that creates more varried habitats with a minimal increase in cost. Really, there are very few trees that can't be used to make paper, so there's no reason not to plant a variety of species on each tree farm. I'm not allowed to feel bad about using reams of paper because I'm a student, but my adult aspirations mitigate the damage, methinks: I wanna' do bioremediation when I grow up.

I suppose anyone who's been paying attention to the drivel I contribute to this board is wondering what happened to soil science. Well, you can be into dirt and clean up toxic waste at the same time. I'm just being pragmatic. Natural habitats tend to dwindle over time while pollution tends to increase. Gotta' have a job when I graduate or I'll not be able to pay off all those loans.

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Don't feel too bad. A lot of that paper was post-consumer reycled paper.

And think about it this way: at least the tree was saved from the shame of having its "carbon reduction ability" from being rented by the Governator.


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That's why we need hemp dude! My eyes smell like lemons!

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What ever happened to the paperless office they where all excited about in the late 80's early 90's?

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Icon 1 posted March 13, 2007 19:43      Profile for WinterSolstice     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Well, if it makes you feel better, we have just this year converted 4 hardcore paper-driven processes to be completely electronic.

Now it just wastes iron, water, coal, oil, and silicon.

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... and don't forget lead and mercury!

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Icon 1 posted March 14, 2007 18:11      Profile for nerdwithnofriends     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by ScholasticSpastic:
quote:
Steen wrote:
That sounds good except that tree farms don't provide the biological diversity needed to allow most other species of plants and animals to co-exist. If we used less paper, some of those areas could be returned to a more natural state, so you can feel bad about perpetuating the tree farms if you want.

Amen, brother! The bit that kind of makes me a little pissy is that tree farms could be planted in a way that creates more varried habitats with a minimal increase in cost. Really, there are very few trees that can't be used to make paper, so there's no reason not to plant a variety of species on each tree farm. I'm not allowed to feel bad about using reams of paper because I'm a student, but my adult aspirations mitigate the damage, methinks: I wanna' do bioremediation when I grow up.

I suppose anyone who's been paying attention to the drivel I contribute to this board is wondering what happened to soil science. Well, you can be into dirt and clean up toxic waste at the same time. I'm just being pragmatic. Natural habitats tend to dwindle over time while pollution tends to increase. Gotta' have a job when I graduate or I'll not be able to pay off all those loans.

Bioremediation? If you really want to see a place that needs to be remediated (biologically, that is), check out Butte, MT. The Berkeley Pit is technically the deepest lake in the state of Montana (even deeper than flathead) with an average pH of 2.5. Right now they're trying to breed extremophiles to help reduce the toxic substances in the Pit for the inevitable point in time where it spills over into Silverbow Creek.


Additionally, there are few trees in Butte: the mercury levels there are high enough to dramatically stunt the growth of large plants.

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Icon 1 posted March 14, 2007 18:31      Profile for stevenback7   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
for the past several years i have been able to keep my paper uses down so that i use one black ink cartridge per year - this year it has just been over half a year and my black ink cartridge is empty - besides the 25 bucks which it will cost to replace i have to wonder how much paper i have used - damn you science and your many lab reports.

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Icon 1 posted March 14, 2007 19:05      Profile for ScholasticSpastic     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
nerdwithnofriends wrote:

Additionally, there are few trees in Butte: the mercury levels there are high enough to dramatically stunt the growth of large plants.

Mercury contamination's a toughy. I don't know if I'd be brave enough to tackle that issue. Then again, I don't know what kind of technologies I'll have access to when I begin my carreer, so it might not seem so difficult by then.

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If you really want to see a place that needs to be remediated (biologically, that is), check out Butte, MT. The Berkeley Pit is technically the deepest lake in the state of Montana (even deeper than flathead) with an average pH of 2.5. Right now they're trying to breed extremophiles to help reduce the toxic substances in the Pit for the inevitable point in time where it spills over into Silverbow Creek.
Now that sounds like a cool project!! I'd love it! There are a number of photosynthetic sulfur bacteria that would do a number on the sulfuric acid. The metal contamination is a tougher issue. Like I said before, we'll probably have better tools by the time I graduate. Some of the extremophiles that have adapted to the lake sound like they'd be really interesting to study in their own right. I like alien critters and you don't get much more alien than extremophiles.

Wow, there are some places around the water line where the ground looks almost like it's corroding. That's pretty... In a scary sort of way.

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There's a lab in my department that studies a bug that was isolated from a stream heavily contaminated with pesticide. This bug had evolved, all on its lonesome, a metabolic pathway that allowed it to eat the pesticide. The lab is trying to figure out how it did that. It's a cool story. Bacteria are nifty.

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The more I learn about the wee buggers the more I admire them.

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quote:
Originally posted by Maggs:
I'm sorry trees [Frown]

Perhaps we could have a moment of silence. [Frown]
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Originally posted by ScholasticSpastic:
The more I learn about the wee buggers the more I admire them.

Quorum sensing rocks. [thumbsup]
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wee buggers. [Big Grin]
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Those "wee buggers" seem to be immune to most pesticides in this house, best way to kill them is the shoe.

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quote:
Originally posted by WinterSolstice:
Well, if it makes you feel better, we have just this year converted 4 hardcore paper-driven processes to be completely electronic.

We're working on that, too. We have several large laser printers working more or less constantly during business hours. Moving to an electronic workflow will pay for itself quickly, but it's hard to convince The Powers That Be of that, because we've always done it the old way.
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