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Shooshie
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Icon 1 posted April 26, 2011 23:45      Profile for Shooshie   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Many of you Mac users will recall the initial .Mac (pronounced DotMac) years ago, which was actually preceded by the iDisk, and seems like there was even one before that. I just can't remember what it was called. Each time I have taken advantage of Apple's "cloud," using it for backups or for storing pictures that are used in forum avatars, forum posts, or simply sharing files with others. And each time I have gotten burned when Apple suddenly changed all the rules. My cloud disk would cease to function, all my posts with pictures would instead show a question mark where the picture should be, and I'd have go spend a day or two trying to restore all my "cloud" stuff to the new cloud. Currently it's called Mobile-Me. It's nowhere nearly as convenient as it used to be, but it teaches us an important lesson about clouds -- the subject of today's JOT comic.

Companies feel compelled to "improve" their services periodically, and every time they do you can be sure there will be a "one time disruption of service for the changeover to the new service," and you'll be stuck trying to get all your files from the old cloud to the new before they take the old one offline. In other words, the cloud service holds all the cards and cares nothing about inconveniencing you to any extent. They don't realize that your schedule doesn't include an extra day for them, every time their CEO decides to listen to marketing and improve their service by making it more cumbersome. Lean and clean should be the watchwords, but consistent and invisible should be the law. Nobody wants to retool their backups and synced files every time a corporation wags their finger.

Clouds are not ready for prime time, if you ask me. At least, Apple's is not. I've been burned by Apple's online server service so many times that I can never trust them again. (case in point, try clicking on my sig link. That ghost town is the result of the last Apple debacle as they switched us from dot-Mac to Mobile Me for no good reason.)

Ok, rant's over.

Shoosh

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Icon 1 posted April 27, 2011 12:42      Profile for Grummash     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Shooshie - I agree completely... well, maybe not completely but probably 95% to 98%.

PREMISE 1) - "Cloud computing is not appropriate for domestic use" The past 20 years (or thereabouts)have been spent telling computer users to take control, empower themselves, manage their own backups and virus control,be "internet-savvy". Now, the "cloud-people" are saying "hand it all over..." So, I agree with Shooshie. On this basis, cloud-computing is not good.

PREMISE 2) - "Apple's cloud-computing is not reliable or safe" Sadly, this is true in my experience. DotMac was a donkey...iDisk prior to MobileMe was useless(NB - I say this and I am a fanboy).
In fairness, ISP upload limits of 500Kbps made iDisk of limited value, and this was not Apple's fault.
iDisk access from my iPhone over Wi-Fi is now very good, and leads me to believe that iDisk is now a reliable, workable storage system.

The above notwithstanding, I don't trust cloud computing, from Apple or anyone. My data may reside on any number of servers, but the master copy(s) is/are on my drives, under my control.

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Much as I detest the fluff about 'the cloud,'† there are pieces of it with merit. For instance, Google Apps is a really snazzy product. I evaluated it professionally, and was quite impressed by all it can do, and the clean integration of its many components.

As I see it, a lot of everyday stuff that used to be done on personal computers has gotten 'boring' to most folks, and online equivalents are more than acceptable. Even if they're missing some features, the tradeoff of 'install/fix/help! problems' vs. 'it just works, on laptop+smartphone+tablet+netbook' really gets to be a no-brainer. Personally, I am not keen on the erosion of privacy that comes with it, but I can see the merit. (And while I've rarely encountered Apple's offerings in this realm, I have read more than enough about how pitiful their stuff is.)

Save for e-mail, I still do most things on 'real computers,' but I know when to throw in the towel. ;P Besides, with my networking hat on, the more the 'cloud' is used, the more work exists for me. [Wink]


† Besides, it always smarts a bit when networking folks have their topology terms/symbols co-opted for nonsense...

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Icon 1 posted April 27, 2011 21:16      Profile for Shooshie   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
By the way…

Just in case it's not clear, cloud or no cloud doesn't affect my affection for Apple computers. It's just that they haven't gotten this cloud thing figured out yet. Kinda makes me not want to create websites and such in their clouds until they do, so that I can redesign my sites when I want to, not when they kick us all out and start a new service.

But if they ever do get it figured out, I'll be accessing it via something made by Apple. (Apple fan-boi rules require my saying something like this after any post critical of Apple)

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Looks like they're trying to figure it out.
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Icon 1 posted April 28, 2011 23:08      Profile for Shooshie   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Indeed! And check this quote from the story?
  • Apple’s track record with cloud based initiatives have been less than stellar to say the least. That said, Apple is reportedly planning a big MobileMe revamp that may be tightly linked with the release of iOS 5 this Fall. Indeed, if the $4.5 million figure is anywhere close to accurate, it’s a good bet that the normally frugal Apple wouldn’t have spent that much money unless it had serious plans for the domain.

What did I tell you? They're about to do it again. We'll probably lose our websites again. I'll stay with them and see if they get it right this time.

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Indeed! And check this quote from the story?
  • Apple’s track record with cloud based initiatives have been less than stellar to say the least. That said, Apple is reportedly planning a big MobileMe revamp that may be tightly linked with the release of iOS 5 this Fall. Indeed, if the $4.5 million figure is anywhere close to accurate, it’s a good bet that the normally frugal Apple wouldn’t have spent that much money unless it had serious plans for the domain.

What did I tell you? They're about to do it again. We'll probably lose our websites again. I'll stay with them and see if they get it right this time.

Shoosh

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Icon 1 posted April 28, 2011 23:17      Profile for Shooshie   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
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quote:
Originally posted by Shooshie:
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*cough* Try...'triplicate post deleted'

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____ Perhaps it is echoing in the CLOUD


____ Whoo Booy:

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2384631,00.asp


____ I make enough mistakes myself dealing with files I don't need a cloud, raining on my parade.

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quote:
Originally posted by dragonman97:
quote:
Originally posted by Shooshie:
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*cough* Try...'triplicate post deleted'
WTF??? I think my Cloud Clone is trying to repost my messages!
Curse you Cloud Clone Shooshie!

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I think we've looked at them from both sides now. [Wink]

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Shooshie
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Icon 1 posted May 14, 2011 08:36      Profile for Shooshie   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Callipygous:
I think we've looked at them from both sides now. [Wink]

Don't tell me… you really don't know cloud clones at all.

… right?

[Big Grin]

Shoosh

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