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Frost
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Icon 1 posted December 02, 2005 09:45      Profile for Frost     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Well, at least it's not a Michael Moorcock Christmas. [Razz]

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Icon 1 posted December 02, 2005 13:21            Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Boy, that liberal liar can smear anything, can't he? [Eek!]

I'm posting links to this comic to some conservative sites...they'll get a kick out of it.

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Icon 1 posted December 02, 2005 14:13      Profile for The Famous Druid     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Erbo:
Boy, that liberal liar can smear anything, can't he? [Eek!]

Um, Erbo, I don't quite know how to tell you this, but it's possible that your parents might have told you one or two little fibs about Santa...

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Icon 1 posted December 02, 2005 14:47      Profile for garlicguy   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by The Famous Druid:
quote:
Originally posted by Erbo:
Boy, that liberal liar can smear anything, can't he? [Eek!]

Um, Erbo, I don't quite know how to tell you this, but it's possible that your parents might have told you one or two little fibs about Santa...
This ⇑ comment has some dangerous implications in it, Druid. What are you trying to say?

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Icon 1 posted December 02, 2005 14:53      Profile for supergoo     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Haha! I thought this was one of the best JoT comics I've seen.

Just drop the politics. It's funny.

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The Famous Druid

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Icon 1 posted December 02, 2005 15:24      Profile for The Famous Druid     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by garlicguy:
quote:
Originally posted by The Famous Druid:
Um, Erbo, I don't quite know how to tell you this, but it's possible that your parents might have told you one or two little fibs about Santa...

This ⇑ comment has some dangerous implications in it, Druid. What are you trying to say?
/me checks the calendar....

Um, I'll tell you in January.

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Icon 2 posted December 04, 2005 10:14      Profile for Snaggy   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Thanks goo!

This comic received a lot of feedback. From emails like this...

"Your Michael Moore cartoon implies that he tells the truth...this is NOT the case.
Moore is an opportunistic LIAR and should be so shown."

to...

http://www.macliberals.com/wordpress/?p=369

[Roll Eyes]

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Icon 1 posted December 04, 2005 11:50      Profile for GMx     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
WTF? Those people seriously need to get a life. [Roll Eyes] I don't think there was any political statement involed at all in the comic, just plain good ol' fashioned satire. Sheesh! [shake head]
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The Famous Druid

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Icon 1 posted December 04, 2005 14:24      Profile for The Famous Druid     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
WTF are the humour-impaired doing visiting geekculture in the first place?

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Icon 1 posted December 04, 2005 16:55      Profile for alfrin     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
I was confused by this comic, I thought we think of Michael Moore as a liar.. so does that mean Santa does exist? Or does he tell the truth, even if it means crushing a childs dreams, in that case Santa does not exist.

It must be the first
It BETTER be the first

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quote:
Originally posted by The Famous Druid:
Um, Erbo, I don't quite know how to tell you this, but it's possible that your parents might have told you one or two little fibs about Santa...

Hell, Druid, I figured that out before they worked up the courage to tell me. (When they came to tell me, I pointed at Mom, saying, "You're the Tooth Fairy," and then at Dad, saying, "And you're Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny.")

But am I going to go around and ruin it for today's little kids? Hell no!

And I especially wouldn't do it the way Mickey Moore-on does it in this comic, refuting one batch of (relatively harmless) lies just to fill those kids' heads with a different batch of (much more harmful) lies...

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Icon 1 posted December 04, 2005 21:41      Profile for Xanthine     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
The comic was cute, but the reactions have been far more amusing.

/me laughs at all the offended people

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Icon 1 posted December 04, 2005 22:29      Profile for ewomack   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Maybe this needs a follow up Bill O'Reilly Xmas toon where Bill yells "Liberals are trying to take the CHRIST out of Christmas! They must SHUT-UP!!!"

But then you'd just get more pointless comments from people who obviously don't have enough to do. But it would entertain the rest of us! [Big Grin]

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This one should be in the next JOT book!

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Just for the record: I thought the comic was great, which is why I spread the link around...the portrayal of Moore in the comic was dead-on, and I daresay even liberals would agree on that point.

EDIT: It might also be useful to look at this comic in terms of Scott Adams' 2-of-6 rule for humor (thanks to EMinder <boldface> for pointing this out to me today). The comic features familiar elements like the department-store Santa environment and Michael Moore (Recognizability), a bunch of cute kids (Cuteness), and Michael Moore being cruel to said cute kids (Cruelty) and thinking he's being clever (Cleverness) by spouting off conspiracy theories (Bizarreness). That's 5 out of 6 elements, which, by Adams' standards, is comedy gold.

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Icon 12 posted December 05, 2005 09:35      Profile for Snaggy   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
... don't forget the Naughty list that Michael is now on. [Big Grin]
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Icon 1 posted December 05, 2005 12:19      Profile for The Famous Druid     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Erbo:
quote:
Originally posted by The Famous Druid:
Um, Erbo, I don't quite know how to tell you this, but it's possible that your parents might have told you one or two little fibs about Santa...

Hell, Druid, I figured that out before they worked up the courage to tell me. (When they came to tell me, I pointed at Mom, saying, "You're the Tooth Fairy," and then at Dad, saying, "And you're Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny.")
... but ... but ...

We have reliable intelligence reports of huge stockpiles of PXDs (Packages for Xmas Distribution) hidden beneath snowbanks at the North Pole...

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quote:
Originally posted by Snaggy:
... don't forget the Naughty list that Michael is now on. [Big Grin]

Hey, I didn't think of that, Snaggy! That would give you a perfect 6 out of 6! [Big Grin] [thumbsup] [Applause]
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Icon 1 posted December 05, 2005 13:34      Profile for dragonman97   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Hell, I agree with the gist of what Moore says and I still think he's a fat loser. [Wink]

Oh, and my parents never lied to me about such silly things. I really don't need some sugar-coated fantasy about stuff like that.

Erm...uh...sure Santa's out there - Moore is just a mean guy with a megaphone. [Razz]

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Icon 2 posted December 05, 2005 22:43      Profile for Tech Angel     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Snaggy:
This comic received a lot of feedback. From emails like this...

<TA shakes her head in disbelief> So many comments and observations are running through my head about the various intense reactions to this comic, but if I spend the time to articulate them here I will be up all night typing (and I have an early morning meeting!).

So I will just pass along this one: what people read into things is so often more of a reflection of them than the thing on which they're passing judgment. Those of us who know Nitro and Snaggy through their extensive work will see this as simply one more piece of that work, namely, a humorous comic, albeit with an edge -- not a political message or a piece of slander or a condemnation of one stance or another. (I think it's rather telling that some of those trying to decipher the cartoon's "deep underlying subversive message" can't seem to settle on whether it supports the far right or the far left.) Those who see the comic via a link from elsewhere -- and thus in isolation from the entire JoT universe -- are more likely to interpret it through their own internal biases.

For the record, I think it's an extremely clever cartoon and don't feel the need to insert any deeper meaning into it. If anything, it makes fun of Moore's approach. Anyone trying to infer something about Moore's message from this comic has kind of missed the meaning of humor: an appreciation of the incongruous.

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As I see it the psycho Right say "You are either for us or against us. Michael Moore is against us, thus he is the spawn of Satan and must be destroyed utterly and the little pieces of him cast into the outer darkness" and the Left say "He may well be a smug idiot with paranoid delusions of grandeur, but he's our idiot, and any criticism of him is vile treachery to the noble cause".

Sadly there doesn't appear to be much space in the middle ground between them.

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quote:
Originally posted by Callipygous:
As I see it the psycho Right say "You are either for us or against us. Michael Moore is against us, thus he is the spawn of Satan and must be destroyed utterly and the little pieces of him cast into the outer darkness" and the Left say "He may well be a smug idiot with paranoid delusions of grandeur, but he's our idiot, and any criticism of him is vile treachery to the noble cause".

Sadly there doesn't appear to be much space in the middle ground between them.

I think Michael Moore has his place. He might be a bit over-the-top, but in a democratic, free speech society, he's allowed to be silly. If all he does is at least gets you thinking and questioning the things around you, then he's done his job.
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Icon 1 posted December 06, 2005 18:21      Profile for TomtheMacMan     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Well, what a mess that comic made. At least you guys (Snaggy and Nitrozac) are willing to cope with it.

I mean, even I, as a die-hard liberal (though I've been loosening up lately) agree that Michael Moore is really, really out of his mind. I mean, Bowling for Columbine was great, and some of the information in Farenheit 9/11 was decent, but really, he's been leaning twords the idea of shocking people into following, which is no better than what some of the fatcat politicians on both sides of the fence are doing right now.

He is good to laugh at at least. [Big Grin]

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From what I have seen the JoT team and majority of the folks on this forum have liberal leanings. That made the comic that much more enjoyable to me. I took the comic to be an even handed shot at Mr. Moore. One that seemed to cross political boundaries.

Unfortunately, it is the excpetion to the rule here at JoT. I, personally, would like to see the comic stay as apolitical as possible or strive to take shots on both sides equally.

Correct me if I am wrong but hasn't JoT only recently (last year or so) gone into politics?

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(Giggles.) I loved this response from that site Snaggy linked.

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This cartoon tries to make Moore seem like a heartless bully of children. That is all.

Some Christmas smear from the right. Bully for them.

I never knew Nitrozac and Snaggy were "the right." [Eek!]
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