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jordanv
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Icon 1 posted September 27, 2005 20:55      Profile for jordanv     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by csk:


Same here, actually. You're talking about Dirt Cheap CDs in Pitt Street, right? There's that one, and the other similar one just a few doors away. Plus JB High Fi sometimes has some decent $10 specials, as does Utopia.

Yep.They have a great one in Melbourne too.

Utopia is the greatest store of all time. It is official, even Thorpie says it is fully sick!

They stocked Crazy World of Arthur Brown!

Beat that, RIAA depot stores!

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quote:
Originally posted by jordanv:
quote:
Originally posted by csk:


Same here, actually. You're talking about Dirt Cheap CDs in Pitt Street, right? There's that one, and the other similar one just a few doors away. Plus JB High Fi sometimes has some decent $10 specials, as does Utopia.

Yep.They have a great one in Melbourne too.

Utopia is the greatest store of all time. It is official, even Thorpie says it is fully sick!

They stocked Crazy World of Arthur Brown!

Beat that, RIAA depot stores!

Hmm, and the first GC Sydney moot will probably take place in a record store, unintentionally, by the sounds of things.

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<singing>The RIAA...The RIAA took my baby away...</singing>
Then there's:
    "EMI" by the Sex Pistols (1977)   [evil]

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I still buy CDs. They are a higher quality sound than compressed music, and I have the right to rip and play them for myself whenever.

Not everybody listens to music on earbuds or a cheap boombox all the time.

I'm not in the mood to buy Foo Fighters anymore since their label has gone to the dark side and won't play on an iPod (yes I listen to that, too). There is still a lot of good music that has been produced that I down't own for myself without having to wear three sixes on my forehead. Hmmmm, Marving Gaye or 50-Cent? "Let's get it on .... owwwww baby."

Labels can't sell anymore music because there are only so many Britteny Spears/Boy Band Albums/Rap songs a 14-year old can buy before its autistic-like attention span collapses and asks, "Are we there, yet?" (No baby, and until you learn to slow down and understand the trip is 99.9% of the fun, you're not likely to get "there" either Or at least get "there" very often.)

Call me old school, but rap kinda began and ended with that "Chuck, chuck bo-buck" song. At least then we got to pretend we were making up the dirty part.

Take care my fellow Geeks.

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Colonel, you managed to hit the point dead on. I buy CDs for much the same reason. Then again, my listening preferences really aren't Top 40, so often I can buy a whole album for $5-$10 USD. I rip them myself, but I do wish that record companies would just put the tracks on the CD in mp3 format as well. I suppose that idea could cause record company execs to choke on their own tongues, though.

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quote:
Originally posted by FireSnake:
Colonel, you managed to hit the point dead on. I buy CDs for much the same reason. Then again, my listening preferences really aren't Top 40, so often I can buy a whole album for $5-$10 USD. I rip them myself, but I do wish that record companies would just put the tracks on the CD in mp3 format as well. I suppose that idea could cause record company execs to choke on their own tongues, though.

It would probably cause a similar reaction in those who seriously care about the audio quality of the music... a lossy compression master? [weep]

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quote:
Originally posted by Colonel Panic:
Call me old school, but rap kinda began and ended with that "Chuck, chuck bo-buck" song. At least then we got to pretend we were making up the dirty part.

Most people have never heard good rap. They sure as hell don't play any of it on the radio.

Try Saul Williams, or Public Enemy.

The Disposable Heroes of Hiphoprisy (song: "TV, the Drug of a Nation") would be a good introduction as well.

I'd go out and buy Saul Williams's whole back catalog immediately, if it were non-RIAA. But since he's signed a contract with an agent of Satan, sorry, I can't buy it. (RIAA boycott since October 2003.)

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quote:
Originally posted by greycat:


I'd go out and buy Saul Williams's whole back catalog immediately, if it were non-RIAA. But since he's signed a contract with an agent of Satan, sorry, I can't buy it. (RIAA boycott since October 2003.)

I don't know how far back my RIAA boycott goes, but it's somewhere back there aswell.

MPAA, too. Haven't bought any DVDs, CDs, etc in a very long time. I still go see bands at concerts whenever I can.

I still go see movies in theatres all the time. I realise I'm still putting money in the MPAA's pocket, but I'm tryin'..

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In my book "Television Drug of the Nation" and the one that goes "check it out now, funk soul brother" are the only good things to ever come out of the (c)rap music scene... (I tell a lie, I quite liked the Eminem one with the faux Batman video, though I suspect I liked the video more than the music...) /flamebait...

And hey, what I think of it is purely my opinion... YMMV etc. [Wink] I'm just an old fart anyhow... [Big Grin]

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Actually, fat boy slim is more techno than rap. That's the "right abt now" guy.
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Icon 1 posted September 29, 2005 19:43      Profile for GameMaster   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Originally posted by Colonel Panic:
I still buy CDs. They are a higher quality sound than compressed music,
mp3 is lossy, yes. But, ogg is not. Depending on the ripping method, you may lose data in the step from CD to wav... But in the long run I cannot tell the difference.

and I have the right to rip and play them for myself whenever.
The way I treat my CDs, if I didn't rip them I'll be listening to

Not everybody listens to music on earbuds or a cheap boombox all the time.
Not all people have cheap earbuds and "boombox" type speakers on their machines that play mp3's and ogg. I would love an iPod and one of Bose's new iPod doc speakers.

Call me old school,
If you insist!

but rap kinda began and ended with that "Chuck, chuck bo-buck" song.
Which wasn't rap. But that may be your point. I'm not a fan of Rap, but there are a very select few songs I like.

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Icon 1 posted September 29, 2005 20:15      Profile for The Famous Druid     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by GameMaster:
mp3 is lossy, yes. But, ogg is not.

I beg to differ

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quote:
Originally posted by GameMaster:
Originally posted by Colonel Panic:
I still buy CDs. They are a higher quality sound than compressed music,
mp3 is lossy, yes. But, ogg is not. Depending on the ripping method, you may lose data in the step from CD to wav... But in the long run I cannot tell the difference.

Bullshit!

Ogg [Vorbis] is a lossy compression scheme - it's just patent free & F/LOSS.

FLAC, on the other hand, which is now a related project, is Free Lossless Audio Compression.

WAVE is a perfect copy of the audio from a CD. So is AIFF (IIRC). If you want to be pedantic about quality - the real loss of audio quality might be in the move from original source to CD, as it goes through an ADC...which /might/ miss just a little something. If you want to be sure you get everything, then you need to get vinyl. [Wink] Just don't play it more than 5 times... [Razz]

Mind you, I also take issue with the fact that I'd be paying for a lesser quality file if I bought from iTMS, vs. CD, but I suppose that wouldn't bother me too much if I bought a handful of them. Still...I'm not willing to fork over my CC info to iTMS, as I fear there could be more than a few debits, as their collection is pretty decent. I'll stick with buying 1 CD every 6 months or so. [Wink] (And then, one of the first things I do is `grip` it to Ogg. [Big Grin] )

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quote:
Originally posted by dragonman97:
(And then, one of the first things I do is `grip` it to Ogg. [Big Grin] )

I'm an abcde fan myself.
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quote:
Originally posted by greycat:
quote:
Originally posted by dragonman97:
(And then, one of the first things I do is `grip` it to Ogg. [Big Grin] )

I'm an abcde fan myself.
Beautiful software it is.

Ogg is also a little bit better about it's lossy encoding (at least I think.)

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... although the reference extends beyond just the music industry ...
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The grabbing hands
Grab all they can
All for themselves
After all
Itís a competitive world
Everything counts in large amounts
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(just played on the radio)

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quote:
Originally posted by greycat:
quote:
Originally posted by dragonman97:
(And then, one of the first things I do is `grip` it to Ogg. [Big Grin] )

I'm an abcde fan myself.
Seconded, abcde is very nice. Whenever I rerip all my CDs to Vorbis, good ol trusty abcde is what I'll use...

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quote:
Originally posted by dragonman97:
...one of the first things I do is `grip` it to Ogg. [Big Grin] )

Another vote for grip here. I like grip because my machine is not fast enough to encode as fast as it rips, while it's ripping at the same time. Grip allows me to rip a stack of CDs as fast as the audio can be extracted, and then I don't have to sit around for the encoding (which speeds up greatly when the ripping's done).
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