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Colonel Panic
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Icon 1 posted February 20, 2007 17:59      Profile for Colonel Panic         Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
What are kids today doing when the Playstation isn't entertaining them anymore?

"Bum Hunting" say today's hip and trendy teens. It's like video games only more real!

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/02/19/homeless.attacks/index.html

To me, it's disgusting. But with today's new values, there is no telling.

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quote:
To me, it's disgusting. But with today's new values, there is no telling.

No, you're right (um, I mean you're correct), it's disgusting. So why is it, again, that pornography is so carefully controlled but just about anyone can watch a simulated murder? Just wondering. I mean, I'd probably rather find out my son had had sex with some girl or boy or sheep than learn he'd killed someone for fun. But that could just be my left-wing values speaking. I am such a puppet of the left-wing media. It's not even funny.

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I read that story last night. It is disturbing. As much as the homless people sitting by the off ramps of 35W and 394 bug me I wouldn't see why people would kill them.

But of course they think it's "fun". Maybe they should make games dipicting the killing of squirrels. Since they are evil and deserve it.

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Mac D wrote:
Maybe they should make games dipicting the killing of squirrels. Since they are evil and deserve it.

Never underestimate the willingness of a game company to deliver the stupidest concept imaginable if they think it might make a buck:
Test your skills with cool hunting mini-games like Squirrel Bash and Mad Hunt [Roll Eyes]

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As long as I'm posting, allow me to add...

From TFA:
Killing Rex Baum was never part of the plan that day in 2004

Note the year there... it's nice that we all care so goddamn much three years later.

It must have been a slow news day.

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Colonel Panic___________________I lay this squarely with TV and ABC mostly. Back in 1972 during the broadcast of the "Sunday Afternoon Movie" the story line had some woman shouting at her acomplis shoot him, shoot him. All this was shown during a non sports weekend, probably with children at many homes, I called the local ABC afliate and was basically told "We show what the network sends" I did ask that my complaint be forwarded to ABC but I believe it feel on deaf ears. I think that the Media and TV are taking us to hell.

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While sex is becoming overrated, violence is becoming underrated... Oh gosh! Where is this gonna end? Regulations should be made equally for both sex and violence!

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Or maybe we're just going back to an era where a person's life value is related to what that person owns.

Now, let's not kid ourselves. This kind of behaviour has always existed. It's just that now, rather than blame the criminal, we can blame the game the criminal was playing. Picking on the weak one, torturing (or rough playing with) animals and bullying are all potential symptoms of a brain disfunction that leads to desensibilisation to other's people feelings, and ultimately, to dismissing human life value altogether. Medical studies has shown that serial killers suffer from such a disfunction.

But I will admit that the brain has this particularity that it can learn; so as much as a person who takes pleasure at killing virtual people can then move on to take pleasure at killing real people, that same person can be taught that it is wrong, that other people has feelings too, and must be respected. So we're back to the good old parent's responsibility in raising their children.

(Personnaly, I've played a few shoot'em games, but I rather took pleasure in the skill required than the killing itself, and I would think it is the same for most people.)

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Stereo_________________________I believe that we are neglecting our duties. How many people plunk their kids in front of the TV and that is the extent of parental involvement. What happoned to the wood shed and the phrase tan your backside.

I and the Mrs have a grandson that we are afraid of the little SOB has no know knowledge of the word NO. I fear for when he become a teenager, I have seen him punch his sister and lie right to me that he did not hit her.

I hope that in five years I am not telling you that the little SOB has done someone great injury.

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Fuck censorship. It's not ABC, NBC, CNN, FOX, or The Discover Channel's job to ensure you do your job as a parent and DONT LET THEM WATCH THINGS YOU DONT THINK THEY SHOULD BE WATCHING.

I'm sick and fucking tired of listening to people whine to their local news affiliate, or their local network because of violence or boobies on TV. If you don't like it, DONT WATCH IT.

This, my friends, is why TBS is the worst station to ever have existed in the history of planet Earth. I'd rather watch static than some voice actor replacing any instance of the word 'asshole' with 'idiot'.

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I dunno... sometimes those substitutions generate unintended humor. In the movie Weird Science, they changed "Because I get off on it" to "Because I goof off on it", which sounds way worse to me [Smile]

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The words aren't a problem. My son understands when it's appropriate to use the f-word and when it's not (only swear at Daddy's house). I take issue with many of the concepts, which can be expressed just as easily in sanitized baby-talk as they can in sailor-speak. That's why there's no television at Daddy's house: They've taken out all the lovin' and replaced it with decapitatin'. I know for a fact that, someday, my son will have sex with some woman or man or whatever (probably a woman- he gets stupid around girls just like his dad). I don't want to believe that he'll ever kill someone. Why, then, is it appropriate to play violence on television, but we can't flash a little nipple? What good does keeping the word Fuck off the air do if you can watch blood drip down walls?

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drunkennewfiemidget_____________________I must most wholeheartedly agree, However when a show is labeled Sunday Afternoon Movie, and no other warning that there may be graphic violence, is that fair to the viewers? I would not have had it on if, I had known that it would contain such scenes. So am I at fault?

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The thing that used to really annoy me, back in the days when I shared a house with the kind of people who watch this drivel, was the sanitized, "no-one really gets hurt" TV violence on shows like 'The A Team'. An hour of explosions, anti-tank missile firing, and enough machine-gun fire to start a small war, but no-one ever got hurt. When the land mine went off and overturned the jeep full of bad guys who were chasing our heroes, you always say them climb out of the wreckage unharmed.

This style of violence was necessitated by the rules for that early evening 'family' timeslot that say you can show _implied_ violence, but you can't show people actually being hurt. The result - gunplay looks like gun-play, just good clean fun.

Personally, I'd rather my kids watched the kind of violence in 'Saving Private Ryan' - that didn't look like good clean fun, it looked nasty, and dirty, and painful, the kind of thing any sensible person would try to avoid.

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So here is an hypothesis: knowing that over-sanitization of environment to avoid babies and children getting in contact with germs prevent them from building a strong immunitary system (thus getting them _more_ sick when they get contaminated), let's extend that observation to contact with violence:

- Avoiding children exposure to violence and/or its real consequences actually makes them more prone to use - and abuse - it while growing up.

Anyone cares to do a social study on that subject?

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Wow... reading that story makes me quite sad that any human could stoop so low.

What has happened to morals? Sex is something that they are still trying to censor BUT it is SO easy to find. Violence is increasing heavily in movies, games, TV shows, and in crimes.

20 years ago a movie that was rated R would be considered PG or PG 13 by today's standards... is that not a little odd?

So why is this happening? I grew up seeing plenty of violence- yet I hate it.
Is it because parents are not taking enough of an active role in their children's lives.
That are children our becoming more animal-like being able to get away withhorrid acts, and their intellegnece decreases every year?
Maybe we should put a little more concern in censoring, child blocks, education and knowledge.

Kids who start drinking and doing drugs are more likely to become violent.
I think parents need to care a little more and do their job, not just let the TV raise their children.

Also schools should STOP lowering the standards. Make it so an A is 96% and above again. Make children work for good grades- then reward them. Also have programs that will inform children the dangers of gangs, drugs, alcohol, and STDs.

I am a generation that was in-between. I got most of these programs growing up. I was shown how scary all of it was- so when I was put in a very compromising living situation for a year- I DID stay away from drugs, violence, gangs, ect.

We seem more concerned about our own enjoyments and life, than that of the future generations. WE need to care more and help more- if we don't, where else are kids going to learn than from video games, tv, and movies?

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I consider this to be an interesting parallel in the animal kingdom. I think we've got a lot bigger problem than violent TV and video games. A lot of boys are growing up without anyone teaching them how to be responsible men.

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It would seem that the trouble with the elephant delinquents was one of premature sex. It would be interesting to find out how many of the hobo-killers engaged in sex acts at a younger-than-average age. We should measure their testosterone. I can understand drinking and hanging out with homeless people as a young person because I did that, too. I don't understand where the violence comes in. My youth had a LOT in common with these guys and I never engaged in anything more violent than petty vandalism.

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quote:
Originally posted by ScholasticSpastic:
It would seem that the trouble with the elephant delinquents was one of premature sex.

It is a little more complicated, involving musth, which is something like going into heat for bull elephants (from what I've read). Here's a more detailed account. Still, I think the similarities to some of our society's issues are thought-provoking.

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Mother Nature’s solution to control musth became clear. Start slowly and ease the animal into musth over a period of years. In properly structured populations, the older bulls suppress, both physically and socially, the younger bulls’ musth condition. Youngsters are gradually eased into the effects, benefits and limitations of the condition. The precocious bulls may simply not be able to cope with the early and extended flood of hormones. Pilanesberg needed older bulls, bulls that experienced musth, and that knew how to cope with it.


Premature sex because there were no bull elephants to suppress their musth. I stand by my overgeneralization.

There's a link to music that was improvised by elephants (the Thai Elephant Orchestra). It's interesting to hear music performed by elephants for elephants. Thai Elephant Orchestra They also do some Bach. That's for us.

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From Penny Arcade:
I am about to share with you an email I received from a Penny Arcade reader. She also happens to be involved in this case but obviously she’d like to remain anonymous. She has agreed to let me share her email with all of you and I can’t thank her enough for that.

Assuming it's not someone pulling a distasteful prank, it's a very interesting email to read...

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quote:
Originally posted by Steen:
Assuming it's not someone pulling a distasteful prank, it's a very interesting email to read...

I totally agree with you. Here's what I read into this: the kid indeed has a brain disfunction (biological condition), and probably should have been treated very early on for anything to have an effect - probably even before the divorce. At this point, chances are only medically controlled drugs could help restoring some balance into his brain.

And as a tangent, I can't help but think about the "2000 Volts" song by the Big Bad Voodoo Daddy band:
quote:
He's got a sharkskin suit
and a diamond earring
He's got jet-black hair,
just like his mother
He's got a jail tattoo,
from his long-lost brother
He's got a shotgun fuse,
don't you pull his trigger

Broke from jail without a gun,
Public enemy number one
Killed a man on the run
On the lam, without bail
Headed straight back to jail
Nowhere else for him to go daddy-o, daddy-o

Nowhere else for him to go daddy-o, daddy-o
He rolls snake-eyes, Jack,
he's gonna make his money
He's headin' west, on a killin' spree
Down in L.A., you know the killin's free

(He was born on the 4th of July.
The kind of guy, when he spoke to you,
he stared you straight in the eye. You
know, man, when he walked into the
room, you would feel it. And man, when
he walked in the room, it sounded like this)

He got a hundred years,
and the electric chair
His final words were, I don't care

(The way the legend goes, is he was
executed shortly after midnight. Some
witnesses say he seemed to be enjoying
himself. One witness said he died with a
smile on his face.
He was one bad, bad man)

( The Big Bad Voodoo Daddy's site, on their "This beautiful life" album.)

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Man video games make you violent I RAN OVER A SQUIRREL THE OTHER DAY I am a public menace.

Seriously.

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quote:
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And as a tangent, I can't help but think about the "2000 Volts" song by the Big Bad Voodoo Daddy band:

"Only A Lad" -- Oingo Boingo (1981)
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quote:
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The lady down the block
She had a radio that Johnny wanted oh so bad
So he took it the first chance he had
Then he shot her in the leg

And this is what she said
Only a lad / You really can't blame him
Only a lad / Society made him
Only a lad / He's our responsibility
Only a lad / He really couldn't help it
Only a lad / He didn't want to do it
Only a lad / He's underprivileged and abused
Perhaps a little bit confused
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Hey there Johnny boy
I hope you fry!

Today it seems "bustin' a cap" in somebody (and other violence) is cool, but 20 years ago, more people thought it was criminal.

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My droogs, this whole bezoomny raskazz sounds quite similar to A Clockwork Orange. Oh Bog, this bratchny was rassoodock-fucked.

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quote:
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Man video games make you violent I RAN OVER A SQUIRREL THE OTHER DAY I am a public menace.

Seriously.

"Squirrels today, clowns tomorrow!"

That is what I have to say.

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