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Stereo

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Icon 8 posted March 07, 2006 12:09      Profile for Stereo     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Auuuuugh!

I hate that the Internet is not fully ready for accessibility!

I hate that the tool I use does not produce W3C compliant HTML code!

I hate that Flash and Captivate do not work well with screen readers!

And I downright hate that so many people around can spot what is wrong, but nobody can tell me how to make it right!

Auuuugh!

Taking a few deep breaths...

Ahhh! feeling better.

Sorry for the disturbance, but I couldn't scream out loud at work, even though I really, REALLY felt like it.

Please feel free to use (and abuse) this thread to express your own random frustrations and irritations.

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Galileo Galilei

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hey-U
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Icon 1 posted March 07, 2006 12:37      Profile for hey-U     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Umm, hate to be a party pooper but W3 compliant doesn't guarantee accessibility...
...and I still prefer doing HTML with a text editor, Potatoshop and a little restraint ;-)
But you're bang on the money about Flash aka spawn of satan :-)

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Icon 1 posted March 07, 2006 12:46      Profile for Ugh, MightyClub     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
I hate that the simplest of Flash sites hogs 90% of my CPU even when the browser is minimized. And I really hate that the same site usually hogs a smaller amount of resources if I run it on Windows instead of my Mac. Maybe it would help if I wasn't using a vintage 2000 iMac [Roll Eyes]

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Stereo

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Icon 1 posted March 07, 2006 13:05      Profile for Stereo     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by hey-U:
Umm, hate to be a party pooper but W3 compliant doesn't guarantee accessibility...
...and I still prefer doing HTML with a text editor, Potatoshop and a little restraint ;-)
But you're bang on the money about Flash aka spawn of satan :-)

I should have specified: I develop web-based courses, not just "plain old" web pages. So we use a tool that put all the content together, create the chapter list as a sidebar, the course map, a few other related pages, the navigation, and then some. I (theoretically) only have to deal with the content and the CSS to make it work. the problem is, the code it produce isn't W3C compliant, so I have to get through each and every pages (double-, if not quad-times: I have to deal with two languages and the Flash+frames* vs. accessible version) to make it compliant.

And then, we try to have a course that is easy to use, and even fun, by using some extras, then have "specialists" complain that the little bells-and-whistles we add aren't accessible. Sorry, pals, I can't single-handedly create a new standard that will be included in every web browser and supported by every accessibility helpers tools. Do they really want us to have a bland course, so everone will be bored equally? Or can we _please_ have the nifty things at least for those who can use them, even if it means others may not be able to enjoy them?

And finally, I have to deal with the people who don't understand how a web-based course is different from plain html pages, and why it should be treated as a whole rather than pages linked together, and how having its own interface and format is like the binding on a book, you don't throw it out and trim the pages if it doesn't fit your bookcase, and, and... [Mad] [Mad] [Mad] [devil wand]


*Yes, I know! "Frames? Eurk!" But that's what how my tool does it, I don't have any better tool for now, and no, I'm not coding this all by hand for all the 32 courses version I'll have to create/maintain this year. So yes, frames, until I find a better tool, or a way to go around without using javascript ("don't use javascript! not everyone enables it!") or having to manually change hundreds of pages every time we change a title, add a page, switch chapter order, and so on. If we use a tool, it's because I spend my time creating courses and supporting them, not creating tools to create courses!

Oh, and I am the only technical person in a team of two...

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Galileo Galilei

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hey-U
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Icon 1 posted March 07, 2006 13:14      Profile for hey-U     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Oops. I meant no offence. Sorry.
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Icon 1 posted March 07, 2006 13:56      Profile for drunkennewfiemidget     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Stereo:

I hate that Flash

I hate that Flash too.
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Stereo

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Icon 1 posted March 07, 2006 14:24      Profile for Stereo     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by hey-U:
Oops. I meant no offence. Sorry.

Don't worry, none taken. It's just the kind of problems I deal with these days. Actually, the very fact that you apologise tells that you understand my point of view, which is a lot more than I get from some people at work... If I hear "why don't you use a Dreamweaver template?" once more, I think I'll throw a 3-years-old-like tantrum. [cry baby] [evil]

BTW, have I ever told you people that I am trained in computer programming and software analysis, _not_ in web design? I'd rather code and debug thousands of lines of codes rather than try to please everyone and their boss (and my boss, too) about where an image shows up in a page.

DNF: ha, ha. [Roll Eyes]

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Galileo Galilei

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Icon 1 posted March 07, 2006 14:39      Profile for Sxeptomaniac   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
The one that gets me sometimes is when I try to tell a professor "no" regarding some ridiculous request, and they come up with some variation of "But I need this in order to teach. Don't you care about the students?"

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Icon 1 posted March 07, 2006 15:04      Profile for CommanderShroom     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Sxeptomaniac:
The one that gets me sometimes is when I try to tell a professor "no" regarding some ridiculous request, and they come up with some variation of "But I need this in order to teach. Don't you care about the students?"

Hahaha.

I know that one so well it is not even funny.

"Why can't I have the 4000.00 system? It will be so my 6 yr old students can learn the beauty of film making on their own. It is neccesary in their education."

umm...

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Icon 1 posted March 08, 2006 14:32      Profile for The real Stealth   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Try this one:

"We need Corel Wordperfect and windowns because that is what the cnferance said"


(Flame on) WELL IM ^&*%$%$ SORRY THAT YOUR BUDGET SAYS LINUX AND OPENOFFICE (flame off)

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Icon 1 posted March 08, 2006 15:51      Profile for alfrin     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by drunkennewfiemidget:
quote:
Originally posted by Stereo:

I hate that Flash

I hate that Flash too.
I hate dealing with the fact that there is no Flash for an AMD64 version of ANY operating system.
Or, teaches me to use 64 bit operating systems.

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