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Icon 1 posted December 21, 2004 09:20            Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
ESR's latest blog entry discusses the emergence of geek culture, and why, one day, Revenge of the Nerds will seem like a rather quaint period piece. GeekCulture.com is mentioned favorably:
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Just the fact that a website can advertise "The World’s Coolest Propeller Beanies!" is indication of how far we’ve come.
Read the whole thing, as Glenn Reynolds might say.
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I love it! Go Geeks!

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Icon 1 posted December 21, 2004 13:07      Profile for Cap'n Vic     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Brutal formatting on that page.....I can't even read the top half [shake head]

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Icon 1 posted December 21, 2004 13:27      Profile for littlefish   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Am I the only one who read the topic and thought "Electron Spin Resonance"?
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Icon 1 posted December 22, 2004 01:21      Profile for Twinkle Toes   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
It is quite sad how, even though we devote ourselves to creating other subcultures to preserve identity and uniqueness, the event of others entering those subcultures eventually renders them mainstream. You can't break away from the system!

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Originally posted by littlefish:
Am I the only one who read the topic and thought "Electron Spin Resonance"?

Hah, no [Big Grin] . But I also thought of "Enclosed String Resonance", which is just weird since that's not even a recognizable abbreviation.
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Icon 1 posted December 22, 2004 08:42      Profile for dragonman97   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by littlefish:
Am I the only one who read the topic and thought "Electron Spin Resonance"?

Sorry man, but I recognized it as "Eric S. Raymond" as soon as I saw it - it's just one of those well known set of geek initials. RMS prefers to go by his initials than his name, in many cases, and ESR is a bit of a copycat. [Wink]

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quote:
Originally posted by dragonman97:
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Originally posted by littlefish:
Am I the only one who read the topic and thought "Electron Spin Resonance"?

Sorry man, but I recognized it as "Eric S. Raymond" as soon as I saw it - it's just one of those well known set of geek initials. RMS prefers to go by his initials than his name, in many cases, and ESR is a bit of a copycat. [Wink]
That's what I thought too...
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quote:
Originally posted by Cap'n Vic:
Brutal formatting on that page.....I can't even read the top half [shake head]

ESR's just upgraded his blog engine...that might have something to do with it.
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quote:
Originally posted by Erbo:
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Originally posted by Cap'n Vic:
Brutal formatting on that page.....I can't even read the top half [shake head]

ESR's just upgraded his blog engine...that might have something to do with it.
I sat for about 20 seconds with, "waiting for data from esr.ibiblio.org" then gave up and closed the tab.
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Icon 14 posted December 22, 2004 10:43      Profile for Twinkle Toes   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Just for the record, it loaded just fine for me.
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Yea it seems to be behaving again. Unfortunately, I no longer have the desire to read it. [Smile]
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quote:
Originally posted by dragonman97:
RMS prefers to go by his initials than his name

I would, too, if I had a set of initials people associate with POWER! Mua-ha-ha! [evil]
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Wow, yet another self-indulgent spew from the maw of ESR. I've never met someone more fixated on making themselves part of a "scene." Oy.
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Originally posted by Demosthenes:
Wow, yet another self-indulgent spew from the maw of ESR. I've never met someone more fixated on making themselves part of a "scene." Oy.

Yeah, which is why I didn't even really bother to read it - just saw that the page worked, and called it quits. ESR does some good, but his ego is on par with RMS', and the two of them compete, so it's an equally bad mess. This folks, is why people like Linus - he's just an awesome guy, who humbly created a great kernel. I'll use an RMS-ism next: The GNU/Linux OS [distributions] definitely work as well as they do because of the GNU tools (compilers, shell, sysutils, etc.), but it wouldn't be what it is without the Linux kernel. Linus isn't gloating about what a wonderful thing he did - he's a good, self-deprecating hacker. RMS, OTOH, whines about GNU not getting enough credit, for it's role in "GNU/Linux." Need I remind anyone about the success GNU has had in writing it's own full OS, replete with kernel?

It's time for me to think about renewing my FSF membership - and that's a kind of hard decision with RMS being the way he is...but I still know that FSF does good things, and should keep up the good work. I just wish he'd ditch the attitude, and stop being 'holier than thou.'

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Originally posted by Twinkle Toes: It is quite sad how, even though we devote ourselves to creating other subcultures to preserve identity and uniqueness, the event of others entering those subcultures eventually renders them mainstream. ...
Nothing is any good if other people like it
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quote:
Originally posted by dragonman97:
[QB]ESR does some good, but his ego is on par with RMS', and the two of them compete, so it's an equally bad mess.

I just spent a bit of time wandering around his blog, and aside from the obvious ego thing, there was something else I found disturbing.

If you have a look at this link he seems fascinated with finding differences between 'whites', 'blacks', and 'jews', always carefully throwing in a few paragraphs of "not that there's anything wrong with that". Maybe he just likes to talk about intelligence to remind himself and us how clever he is, but something in his tone reminds me of a few conversations I've had that began with "I'm not racist, but..."

Of course, he also claims that scots are one standard-deviation above the IQ curve, so he can't be all bad [Wink]

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TFD: In the interest of brevity, I chose to refrain from pointing out that he's also a "2nd amendment touting gun nut."

Edit: Okay, I just skimmed that blog, and *wow*. I'm not really certain of the facts, though some of the comments that follow indicate he may not be incorrect, but particularly coming from him, that certainly does not look good.

/me is a very happy vi[m] user...good night.

:wq

(P.S. The above does actually have relevance, for those in the open source know, anyway.)

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quote:
Originally posted by The Famous Druid:
Maybe he just likes to talk about intelligence to remind himself and us how clever he is, but something in his tone reminds me of a few conversations I've had that began with "I'm not racist, but..."

I totally know what you mean TFD. The word "but" completely negates anything said before it, and whomever you are speaking to forgets the positive part of the message. I personally try very hard to not use that word, or however, or any other negative when I really want to get my point across.
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quote:
Originally posted by dragonman97:
I just skimmed that blog, and *wow*. I'm not really certain of the facts

Neither is anyone else.
(well, the ones who are certain, are wrong)

The whole issue of measuring 'intelligence' is ++dodgy, and prone to cultural bias (as a friend is fond of saying, an IQ test devised by dogs would measure the ability to catch a frisbee in ones mouth). Suffice to say that the difference of 1 standard deviation he quotes is at the extreme end of the figures I've heard quoted, and it's interesting that he accepts them so uncritically.

Having been to Africa, and Scotland, I think I'd have noticed a difference of 2 standard deviations in IQ between the 2 populations. I didn't.

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Some fun IQ statistics I found, just to show how silly the whole thing is....

Americans are smarter than Canadians (but aussies and kiwis are smarter than the lot of you)

blondes have above average intelligence

Geminis are smarter than Leos

Married people are smarter than singles (but their IQ drops when they have kids)

tall people are smarter than shorties

Four eyes are smarter than two

And Democrat voters are smarter than Republicans

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I find nothing silly about the last one. It's true! [Big Grin]
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quote:
Americans are smarter than Canadians (but aussies and kiwis are smarter than the lot of you)
I'm dumb.

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blondes have above average intelligence
I'm smart.

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Married people are smarter than singles (but their IQ drops when they have kids)
I'm dumb.

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tall people are smarter than shorties
I'm smart.

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Four eyes are smarter than two
I'm dumb.

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Democrat voters are smarter than Republicans
I'm smart.

Well which is it?

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