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homerstash
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whats all the hype about gay marriage? gay marriage is not a bad thing, why is everybody so opposed to it.
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for the most part because their religion tells them it is bad, but othere dont like it because they just do not like the idea of gays fullstop.

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It's because they're afraid that some gay person may fancy them (or secretly scared that a gay person may not fancy them).

On the other hand as Richard Burton said in Where Eagles Dare "A hole, is a hole, is a hole.

Some people have too much time on their hands to worry about the issues that are insignificant. If someone wants to marry someone of the same sex, species, different sex, species who are we to say no. After all, aren't they ostensibly doing it out of love?

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No, all the gays around here are doing it for the attention. Well, not all, but most of them are just doing it so people will know their name.
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quote:
Originally posted by Ivan:
No, all the gays around here are doing it for the attention. Well, not all, but most of them are just doing it so people will know their name.

Spoken like a true redneck. [Roll Eyes]

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quote:
Originally posted by Ivan:
most of them are just doing it so people will know their name.

Ah, much like Cheers.

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It is a big deal lots of places. I am in the processes of bringing my daughter home from Guatemala. As a single woman adopting, I have to sign a paper stating I am not a lesbian. Not sure how you prove that exactly. Have sex in front of the notary???
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I't s a ploy intended to get you to have sex with the notary.

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quote:
Originally posted by ooby:
I't s a ploy intended to get you to have sex with the notary.

That was my thought too [Big Grin] (the ploy, that is, I've never considered sex with a notary)

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Apparently, the bible says gays are wrong.

We already know the bible is wrong about pretty much everything. Why're people still taking so much stock in this load of crap?

If they want to get married, they deserve to be miserable like everyone else. [Wink]

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It will all end in gay divorce.

What I have issue with, and this stands for straight marriage just as much as gay marriage, is the extra status that marriage affords the couple in the form of tax breaks and other benefits. Why should two people together get treated better on the basis of being in a legally sanctioned union? Why can't two people in a 'common law' marriage benefit from the same breaks? Why can't two people who are just friends and live in the same house, and therefore in a very similar situation to most married people, get the same treatment? And why should a single person, through choice or inadequacy (I'm poking fun at myself here, before I get flamed. Which will probably happen anyway;)), be penalised?

OK, mini rant over. I'm off to cook myself some food.

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Personally I think a lot of things should be legal that aren't . Every once in a while someone will come out saying that we do not legislate morality (nope, no citation there, sorry). So if that is the case then not only should gay marriage be legal, but prostitution should be legal too. Actually, come to think of it, Berkeley is working on that.

http://www.sacbee.com/state_wire/story/9753308p-10676146c.html

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Well, people may or may not believe in legislating morality, but they believe in not legislating something just because it's part of Judeo-Christian morality.

It's going to be interesting to see how a new moral framework is constructed to replace what most consider is the obsolete, archaic one inherited from our religious predecessors. "Do whatever you want as long as it doesn't hurt anyone" goes only so far as a moral code, and gets hard to nail down with situations of significant complexity.

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quote:
Originally posted by csk:
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Originally posted by ooby:
I't s a ploy intended to get you to have sex with the notary.

That was my thought too [Big Grin] (the ploy, that is, I've never considered sex with a notary)
But my notary here is a woman. I'll never get Dora-Marie home. LOL
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im not sure about all married couples getting tax breaks, i know for sure that not all married people get tax breaks. some do some dont. some even get to pay more taxes for being married.
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quote:
Originally posted by Aditu:
quote:
Originally posted by csk:
quote:
Originally posted by ooby:
I't s a ploy intended to get you to have sex with the notary.

That was my thought too [Big Grin] (the ploy, that is, I've never considered sex with a notary)
But my notary here is a woman. I'll never get Dora-Marie home. LOL
In that case, "It's a trap!"

Go find a male notary, or indulge that exhibishionist side you've been no doubt wanting to cultivate [Wink]

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quote:
Originally posted by csk:
quote:
Originally posted by Aditu:
quote:
Originally posted by csk:
quote:
Originally posted by ooby:
I't s a ploy intended to get you to have sex with the notary.

That was my thought too [Big Grin] (the ploy, that is, I've never considered sex with a notary)
But my notary here is a woman. I'll never get Dora-Marie home. LOL
In that case, "It's a trap!"


Go find a male notary, or indulge that exhibishionist side you've been no doubt wanting to cultivate [Wink]

If you are force to have sex with your female notary, make sure to take lots of pics which you can seend to my gmail account for safe keeping [Big Grin]

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This comic probably best sums up the whole gay marriage thing.

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quote:
Originally posted by TMBWITW,PB:
So if that is the case then not only should gay marriage be legal, but prostitution should be legal too.

and how are they the same thing? [Confused]

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quote:
Originally posted by snupy:
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Originally posted by TMBWITW,PB:
So if that is the case then not only should gay marriage be legal, but prostitution should be legal too.

and how are they the same thing? [Confused]
I think TMBWITW,PB is referencing the morality of it.

While we're on that subject, one needs to understand that prostitution is illegal, but selling sex is not. If I walk up to a female friend of mine, and offer her $100 for sex, it's a legal business transaction. It's the solicitation of sex that's illegal. Standing on the corner, selling sex.

Why do you think escort services are listed in the newspaper and are not illegal? Call it what you want, they're selling sex. They're just not on the corner doing it.

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quote:
Originally posted by CrawGator:
This comic probably best sums up the whole gay marriage thing.

Atheists can be married.

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You mean, 2 people in a caring and comitted relationship who want to pledge to be together forever is the same as prostitution, on a moral level? [Confused]

I'm sorry, but I'm still confused.

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I think that what TMB is saying is that there are many things that 'conventional' society says are immoral, however, over the last few years we have started to say, 'Well hey, that aint so bad, why are we against again?'

She wasn't saying that specifically prostitution should be legalised, but it is one of the many things that doesn't have the taboos/social stigma that it did say 20, 30 years ago.

Prostitution will always be a difficult area to attempt to legalise or de-criminalise as there are so other issues surrounding it and that impact on it. By that I mean where women and children are forced into it being the biggest.

Censoring or legislating morality is something I think individuals should enforce in part. Straight and gay p0rn is very accessible and has become less of a social no-no. It is the individuals at the edges who cause the problems, I remember hearing an arguement that said that gay men should not be teachers as they are all potential peadophilles. By that person's arguement are men all potential rapists?

Sorry this has going slightly off topic.

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quote:
Originally posted by ooby: Atheists can be married.

True enough. However, it is usually a state marriage that is done by someone who is not a minister, and more than likely God is not mentioned in the ceremony. Technically that should be called a civil union as well. I also think that people can be married and not be bound by a civil union i.e. no marriage certificate. The state therefore would not recognize it. The marriage certificate should be changed to be a certificate of civil union. And people who are bound by it should be considered a couple by the state.

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Originally posted by csk:
"Do whatever you want as long as it doesn't hurt anyone" goes only so far as a moral code, and gets hard to nail down with situations of significant complexity.
Not at all. Ever read any of Kant's writting on the Catagorical Imparitive. The Christians have this very tenet at the heart of their faith:
"Do unto others as you'd have them do unto you."
And of course the writtings in Corithians where Paul states that charity (the greatest of which is love) is more imporant than faith, almsgiving and the gift of devine proficy.

This idea is ages older than Judeo-Christian beliefs, and basis of many early relegions and Eastern philosphies.

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