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Icon 2 posted April 01, 2004 09:28      Profile for Titanium Warrior   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
I came across this in my browsing today. Although technologically interesting that the military has developed unmannned killing machines, it begs the question; whatever happened to the Asimov's Three Laws of Robotics.... I know they aren't real laws, but I truly believe they are good ones.

anyhow here's the link to the article.

http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,62893,00.html

Isaac Asimov's "Three Laws of Robotics"

1. A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.

2. A robot must obey orders given it by human beings except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.

3. A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.

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aha, I see you are a calvinist who does not beleive in the zeroth law then

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Thought this was going to be about the new film, "I, robot". The trailer looks as though some of the laws might be violated in that flick!
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quote:
Originally posted by Alephcat:
aha, I see you are a calvinist who does not beleive in the zeroth law then

Actually that brings up a good question....

Which is better, a law that protects the social mass, or an individual? Zeroth law clearly is for the benefit of society, and thus being more to the benefit of society to exploit such laws.

I don't know. However I believe that a law should protect people, but should not become self-serving especially to the point of exploitation. Zeroth's law allows the military to justify it's principals to protect 'humanity', but exploits the technology for it's own self-serving purposes to protect their 'scope' of humanity from another person. However this does not say that Zeroth's law shouldn't apply to nanotechnology, where we are teaching and training robots to protect humanity, from other harmful species such as bacterium or viruses.

I believe in Zeroth's law, but it's too broad and easily exploited. Lets just say, I believe more in the first 3 laws and agree there is a basis for the Zeroth law as an addendum.

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The first report I read about these killer drones actually killing someone was from Afghanistan.

A dozen or so people were blown into unidentifiable bits because one of them was very tall, and Ossama bin-Laden is very tall.

Sadly, we can't even blame the stupid robot for that one, the decision to kill was made by a human (using the term loosely).

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ofcourse you have to use the term human loosly when talking about any one from the american militery.

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As I watched CNN the other day I saw a short clip
where they had attached a "Hellfire" missle under
each wing of a RQ-1 Predator drone.(wicked a missle as they make those) Sad that some can only see destruction as a creative process and exploit any technology for that end, when the same effort could produce something of benefit.

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quote:
Originally posted by Alephcat:
ofcourse you have to use the term human loosly when talking about any one from the american militery.

I have no great and overwhelming love for the military as an organization, but I am deeply offended at the insult that you just offered to some people that I care very much about. It's awfully easy to point at the uniform and generalize. But don't forget that the human being in that uniform is someone's brother, sister, father, mother, friend, or lover.

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As I watched CNN the other day I saw a short clip
where they had attached a "Hellfire" missle under
each wing of a RQ-1 Predator drone.(wicked a missle as they make those) Sad that some can only see destruction as a creative process and exploit any technology for that end, when the same effort could produce something of benefit.

eDJ

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How in the samwhang does this keep happening!

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quote:
Originally posted by SupportGoddess:
quote:
Originally posted by Alephcat:
ofcourse you have to use the term human loosly when talking about any one from the american militery.

I have no great and overwhelming love for the military as an organization, but I am deeply offended at the insult that you just offered to some people that I care very much about. It's awfully easy to point at the uniform and generalize. But don't forget that the human being in that uniform is someone's brother, sister, father, mother, friend, or lover.
Don't lose sight of the fact that that person is being paid and trained to kill someone elses brother, sister, father, mother, friend, or lover. [ohwell]

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quote:
Originally posted by Alephcat:
ofcourse you have to use the term human loosly when talking about any one from the american militery.

In any war in any place and any time the atrocities go both ways. I don't know where you're from, but I'm willing to lay a lot of money on there being blood on the hands of your people as well as mine.
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1 Use the term human loosely when refering to any military
2 Yes the person is somebodys son, brother etc. but...
3 They are being paid and trained to kill somebodys son, brother, etc...
4 Wouldn't it be better if we just called the whole thing off? [Smile]

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quote:
Originally posted by Xanthine:
I don't know where you're from, but I'm willing to lay a lot of money on there being blood on the hands of your people as well as mine.

He's from just down the road from me, and you're probably not wrong...
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quote:
Originally posted by nekomatic:
quote:
Originally posted by Xanthine:
I don't know where you're from, but I'm willing to lay a lot of money on there being blood on the hands of your people as well as mine.

He's from just down the road from me, and you're probably not wrong...
She's definitely right.
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damn! I knew I had not found all the tapes! [Wink]

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... it never ends .....

since "all" soldiers are "baby-killers", why not go around to veterans of WWII and say "how does it feel to be a baby-killer?" or maybe talk to their children and say "it must be horrible having a baby-killer for a father."

I haven't taken the time, but does anyone know a "great nation" that never had an army and still exists?

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quote:
Originally posted by ASM65816:
I haven't taken the time, but does anyone know a "great nation" that never had an army and still exists?

Yep!


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The Canadian Army Home Page
http://www.army.forces.gc.ca/lf/English/home.asp

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quote:
Originally posted by ASM65816:
The Canadian Army Home Page
http://www.army.forces.gc.ca/lf/English/home.asp

Hehehe, that's not the point. We laugh about our Canadian military, here, but I think if we truly were to be invaded for our beer, maple syrup or our other natural resources, I'm sure the general populous would take up arms with our 20+ million unregistered firearms. [crazy]

We are a nation of apologetic folks, but don't dare touch our beer.

I am Canadian!

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quote:
Originally posted by Xanthine:
I don't know where you're from, but I'm willing to lay a lot of money on there being blood on the hands of your people as well as mine.

He's from Chester - down there they're far more likely to have kebab grease on their hands. [Wink]

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quote:
Originally posted by spungo:
quote:
Originally posted by Xanthine:
I don't know where you're from, but I'm willing to lay a lot of money on there being blood on the hands of your people as well as mine.

He's from Chester - down there they're far more likely to have kebab grease on their hands. [Wink]
Well, they say it's kebab grease. [blush] [Eek!]

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Make fun all you want, but I wouldn't fsck with the canadian army... especially in a city battle. The only person to ever beat Carlos Hathcock's 2500 yard kill was a Canadian sniper, using probably the same model .50 cal rifle as Carlos. That isn't easy for me to say... I was a week away from joining the Marine Corps.

so... Doon't be slight'n those Canats, eh?

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