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Icon 1 posted November 26, 2004 06:25      Profile for The-Tech     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
I haven't done any HTML code in a while. I'm putting together a web page for my Scout Troop and I was wondering what the current trends are in HTML.

I see a number of tags have been deprecated, like the font tag. What is the acceptable method for formatting these days CSS ?

I'm also interested in dynamic content. I'm assuming PHP is the way to go. Anyone using PERL for this ?

Finally I'm using BlueFish as an editor, which is a step up form vi. Any other suggestions for an open source editor.

Thanks
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Icon 1 posted November 26, 2004 07:05      Profile for drunkennewfiemidget     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
vim is the only editor you need.

Being W3 compliant in your HTML is always nice.

CSS should do *all* of your font formatting and justification, etc, so you can easily completely change the look & feel of a page with a few letters in a stylesheet.

For dynamic content, I use mod_perl all the time, but for simplicity's sake, I'd probably suggest PHP instead.

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The font tag was never appreciated [Razz]
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I don't know anything about PHP and my knowledge of Perl is a bit limited, to be honest I'm a bit old-skool with my HTML, what's wrong with a 150kb flat HTML home page I'd like to know ;-p

Here are some online validators for X/HTML, CSS and meta tags that I find quite useful

W3C Markup Validation Service: "a free service that checks documents like HTML and XHTML for conformance to W3C Recommendations and other standards"

W3C CSS Validation Service: "a free service that checks Cascading Style Sheets (CSS) in (X)HTML documents or standalone for conformance to W3C recommendations"

meta-tag-analyzer: "...instant, online report of a website's Meta Tags. Checks for Title, Keywords, Description, Robots & Author Tag & their relavancy with the page content - This Tool is FREE!"

And which geek *doesn't* have a favourite text editor... or two...

SubEthaEdit: "a powerful and lean text editor" -- not open source but still rather groovy, and free for personal use... I think... at least, I've been using it for a couple of months and it hasn't nagged me, all the features work...
Smultron: "an open-source text editor"

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Icon 1 posted November 26, 2004 07:47      Profile for The-Tech     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by drunkennewfiemidget:
vim is the only editor you need.

For dynamic content, I use mod_perl all the time, but for simplicity's sake, I'd probably suggest PHP instead.

I am actually familiar with PERL so I'll check out mod_perl before delving into PHP.

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Icon 1 posted November 26, 2004 08:01      Profile for Swiss Mercenary     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by The-Tech:
Finally I'm using BlueFish as an editor, which is a step up form vi. Any other suggestions for an open source editor.

Which OS are we looking at here?

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my personal preference for an HTML editor is HTML-kit windoze only and not opensource, but other than that it is relly pretty good. it can do x/html, xml, css, and most of the scripts. Damn! now I sound like an advert [Mad]

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Icon 1 posted November 26, 2004 08:21      Profile for spungo     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by The-Tech:
I'm using BlueFish as an editor, which is a step up form vi.

Ummm... a step up from vi would be vim. [Smile]

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quote:
Originally posted by spungo:
quote:
Originally posted by The-Tech:
I'm using BlueFish as an editor, which is a step up form vi.

Ummm... a step up from vi would be vim. [Smile]
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Icon 1 posted November 26, 2004 09:07      Profile for spungo     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Anyway, vi vs emacs wars are totally absurd...

...everyone knows vi is superior on all counts. [Smile]

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quote:
Originally posted by spungo:
Anyway, vi vs emacs wars are totally absurd...

...everyone knows vi is superior on all counts. [Smile]

Naturally - why does anyone want an alleged text editor that needs its own boot sequence? [Wink] One of the happiest days I've spent with this machine was the day I typed `apt-get remove emacs.` Ahhh....I got so much hard drive space back!

Personally, I write all my webpages in vim, in [basic] XHTML1.0, and often create them with Perl (that code is also written vim [Smile] ). I am very slowly starting to use CSS, if only to deal with the very basic formatting of BODY, H1, H2, and P (I loathe the default spacing of P tags).

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quote:
Originally posted by Tut-an-Geek:
The font tag was [i]never[/i appreciated [Razz]

TFDs HTML tip #1: Make sure you pair-up your tags properly. [Wink]

Oh, and The-tech, good luck with the web site, I'm sure you'll DYB DYB DYB.

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Icon 1 posted November 26, 2004 15:21      Profile for The-Tech     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by spungo:
Ummm... a step up from vi would be vim. [Smile]

vim ... how the hell did I forget vim
/me smacks head

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It's interesting to me that we don't have any rabid emacs fans here at GC (or they're afraid to show their faces [Wink] ). Not that it matters, I'm a big vim fan, anyway.

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I'm a TECO man. As programmable as emacs and twice as terse!
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I don't know a great deal about TECO. You get bonus points for using a comparatively obscure editor, then [Wink]

Am I the only one who finds the kitchen sink approach of emacs ironic given the traditional Unix philosophy of small tools that do one job well?

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quote:
Originally posted by csk:
Am I the only one who finds the kitchen sink approach of emacs ironic given the traditional Unix philosophy of small tools that do one job well?

That's just because RMS is using Emacs to compensate for the fact that Hurd still isn't done - he needed *something* that worked [Wink] .

I quite agree with you about the *nix model of functionality, though. I use vim for text editing, irrsi for IRC, mutt for e-mail, and links for web browsing. There is no reason why I need one gigantic program that does an 'okay' job of all these tasks, when I could have great applications to do their respective tasks. Besides, if I put all of them in screen, they're close enough for comfort [Smile] .

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Favorite editors:
Unix: Pico
OS X: TextEdit
Mac OS Classic: SimpleText
Windows: Metapad

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I use nano on linux, AIX, and windows (cygwin) to write my XHTML, CSS, and PHP. I only do it as a hobby, or when my regular job requires it...

If you make your pages XHTML 1.1 compliant (including DTD at beginning), you can get almost identical rendering on IE and Gecko-based browsers. I think both browsers (I know Firefox/Mozilla does) use a standards compliant engine, which is more consistent between browsers.

Editor (pun intended) side-notes:

If you're a pico fan, give nano a try. It's got a smaller footprint and has more features than pico.

I'm an emacs fan, but also use vi...if I'm working on a big code file, it's nice. I'm learning more vi features though, and slowly starting to use it more.

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quote:
Originally posted by dragonman97:

Personally, I write all my webpages in vim, in [basic] XHTML1.0, and often create them with Perl (that code is also written vim [Smile] ). I am very slowly starting to use CSS, if only to deal with the very basic formatting of BODY, H1, H2, and P (I loathe the default spacing of P tags). [/QB]

I do too. It's way too friggen huge.

<br /> is my friend.

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