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spungo
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Icon 1 posted April 07, 2014 10:31      Profile for spungo     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by The Famous Druid:

But I really doubt if it was a flying-bomb operation, if that was the plan, wouldn't it be easier to hijack a plane that was already destined for Australia?

Well, if you're gonna use common sense... ;-)

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The course flown is troubling me, was it on auto pilot? I doubt that, was it just trimmed and flying along?

If on auto pilot when fuel ran out the auto pilot would pull back on the yoke, the plane would nose up until the wings stalled and it stated a tail spin backward until tail fist into the waters surface that is what destroyed the pingers on the AF 447

If trimmed out correctly it would almost do a Sully landing, maybe that is why there is no debris?

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quote:
Originally posted by TheMoMan:

If trimmed out correctly it would almost do a Sully landing, maybe that is why there is no debris?

That's almost worse, floating around in life jackets waiting for a shark to eat you, no land for a thousand miles, no one knows you're there. If you're lucky you get to die from thirst.

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quote:
Originally posted by spungo:
quote:
Originally posted by TheMoMan:

If trimmed out correctly it would almost do a Sully landing, maybe that is why there is no debris?

That's almost worse, floating around in life jackets waiting for a shark to eat you, no land for a thousand miles, no one knows you're there. If you're lucky you get to die from thirst.
And if you're unlucky...cannibalism takes hold?

I think in that scenario, there would also be a fricking plane in the ocean, which might show up in the satellite imagery - unless it sunk before the pictures were taken? Still, the clusters of people in life jackets ought to have showed up. I know there's a lot of ocean to review, but such things should stand out in some way from lots and lots of blue.

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I was postulating a Payne Stewart flight, no one in control. The plane bellies in and sinks with little damage.

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quote:
Originally posted by TheMoMan:
I was postulating a Payne Stewart flight, no one in control. The plane bellies in and sinks with little damage.

Sounds about the most likely. A zombie plane. I wonder if you can still 'hear' the ELT in a submerged-but-intact plane. Wouldn't the fuselage make a Faraday cage?

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Interesting thought, however I think the B-777 is a fibreglass composite air plane. Depending on how much Carbon fibre was used in the Epoxy how stealthy it may have been. It definitely needs the transponders, to show up on ATC. Radar.

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quote:
Originally posted by spungo:
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Originally posted by The Famous Druid:

But I really doubt if it was a flying-bomb operation, if that was the plan, wouldn't it be easier to hijack a plane that was already destined for Australia?

Well, if you're gonna use common sense... ;-)
Workmate correctly pointed out that the ideal would have been a plane flying *out* of Oz, so it had full fuel tanks,

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Schneier said some time ago that said plot won't happen again - once was enough to wake us up to the threat and prevent it in the future. Reinforced cockpit doors and an aware cabin full of passengers will almost certainly eliminate such a re-occurrence.

MH370 is its own beast - a wildly different mystery. It was probably mechanical - if it was deliberate, it was a pretty fscking pointless move. Although, typing that makes me think of an episode of Luther that involved a decidedly evil plot by a deranged fsckwit. Still, that guy make sure people knew about him - absolutely no one has stepped forward and claimed responsibility for this disappearance, which makes for one rather pitiful bogeyman.

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This is the flight path that the mother ship wanted him to fly so that there would not be any of those nasty hydrocarbon fuels left on board as they went out of the atmosphere.

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Who moved the Hay Stack?

Time

Science and Math Fight!

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After re-examining the Imersat Data?

The new calculations show the most probable location as 36.02 South 88.57 East. Use your favourite mapping program and zoom out a long way, to see that it is a long way from any where.

That is one big hay stack.

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quote:
Originally posted by TheMoMan:
After re-examining the Imersat Data?

The new calculations show the most probable location as 36.02 South 88.57 East. Use your favourite mapping program and zoom out a long way, to see that it is a long way from any where.

That is one big hay stack.

I think they will find it in about 50 years.

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quote:
Originally posted by Ashitaka:
quote:
Originally posted by TheMoMan:
After re-examining the Imersat Data?

The new calculations show the most probable location as 36.02 South 88.57 East. Use your favourite mapping program and zoom out a long way, to see that it is a long way from any where.

That is one big hay stack.

I think they will find it in about 50 years.
...or as soon as the NSA thinks there's some valuable intel down there. [Wink]

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Not really new info but, it came up while I was searching for fish cameras.

The Guardian.

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