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TheMoMan
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Icon 1 posted January 16, 2012 06:08      Profile for TheMoMan         Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
USA Today Account.

Following the collision. If the Captain did try to get the ship into the shallows and beach the ship he saved many lives, However he still hit a submerged object.

Major Fail.

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Icon 1 posted January 16, 2012 15:57      Profile for The Famous Druid     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by TheMoMan:
USA Today Account.

Following the collision. If the Captain did try to get the ship into the shallows and beach the ship he saved many lives, However he still hit a submerged object.

Major Fail.

According to this report the shipping company is saying he sailed way too close to the island to show off the ship.

Hoon driver in charge of a cruise ship. Oops.

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Update: Things are looking bad for the captain

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TFA:
The captain of the Italian cruise ship which ran aground off the coast of Tuscany has been placed under house arrest after the release of damming new audio evidence which shows cursing coast guards yelling at him to return to his sinking ship...

"Go on board the ship and get back to me and tell me how many people are there. Is that clear? I am recording this conversation, Captain Schettino."

When the captain refused to return to the listing vessel, the coast guard attempted to threaten him to get him to return to the ship.

"Perhaps you have saved yourself from the sea but I will make you look very bad. I will make you pay for this. Dammit, go back on board!" he said.

A report on the radio this morning claimed he'd sailed very close to shore to allow the head waiter to wave to his family.

Does Maritime Law still allow keel-hauling?

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i forgot
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A report on the radio this morning claimed he'd sailed very close to shore to allow the head waiter to wave to his family.

Does Maritime Law still allow keel-hauling?

often people struggle when loved ones die in a tragedy where noone knows why the tragedy took place. People loose sleep every night wanting to know why thinking if they knew the reason somehow it would be easier.

and then there are stories like this, where knowing why makes it worse than if it was unknown why that ship sank.

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Look on the bright side, at least he didn't try to get a closer look at some random WWII-era mine floating around somewhere in the open ocean.
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This just gets worse and worse, the captain is now claiming he tripped and fell into the lifeboat [shake head]

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The Guardian has some interesting reflections on this event

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Icon 1 posted January 19, 2012 06:35      Profile for TheMoMan         Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Where did they hire this guy?

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Karl Denninger--who lives in Florida and has owned and sailed a number of boats--weighed in on this incident. There were apparently several problems, one of which is that no full safety drill was ever performed prior to the cruise sailing. In addition, the crew members originally told the passengers that there was an "electrical problem" on board, despite the fact that they had to know there was a mother-big hole in the hull!

Ultimately, the captain brought the ship too close to a known dangerous shore, at night, at a time of day and speed at which lookouts were ineffective in spotting the rock the ship hit. He gambled and lost, in much the same way that Captain Smith of the Titanic did. His later good thinking in beaching the boat quickly to keep it from sinking does not excuse his other failures, or those of his crew.

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Thank god we finally have a former stock market analyst weighing in on this. Clearly nobody else had any clue what was going on despite all the news reports which have put forth the exact same information and opinions.

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So true Steen, I too had been fretting about what Karl Denninger would think about this. Though I do not have the great man's extensive maritime experience, I do have a number of toy ships, and a recent bath time incident makes me wonder, could the captain of the Costa Concordia have been panicked by a 300 foot tall rubber duck?

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quote:
Originally posted by Erbo:
There were apparently several problems, one of which is that no full safety drill was ever performed prior to the cruise sailing.

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The Thoughts Of Chairman Denninger:
One of the more-serious is the apparent lack of a full safety drill before the vessel left port. If you've been on a US-based cruise you know this one -- everyone is required to show up at their muster station before the ship sails when the horn blows, life jacket on body, and be physically counted. Every stateroom and public area is physically entered and checked for persons by the crew.

Interesting to see Erbo, and The Great Man Himself, both weighing in on the side of Useless Red Tape and Regulations that are strangling American businesses.

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Heroes of Concordia...

http://news.discovery.com/human/heroes-of-concordia-crash-121901.html

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