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TheMoMan
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Icon 1 posted December 16, 2011 12:22      Profile for TheMoMan         Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Cell Phones and driving, this only applies to commercial carriers at this point however the Nanny state may try to push it to the general driving public.

New Fed rules on Hazmat.

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Icon 1 posted December 16, 2011 17:43      Profile for The Famous Druid     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
I wish 'The Nanny State' well in its endeavour.

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Icon 1 posted December 17, 2011 12:14      Profile for quantumfluff     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
I live in a the densely populated suburbs around New York City. I support full banning of phones and text messaging by drivers.

I don't see this as an erosion of my freedoms. It is a privilege to drive, not a right. And while I won't get into a debate about gun ownership, no one debates that you have to learn proper gun handling. If you had a friend who went hunting with you, keeping his gun loaded, and always pointing up and swinging it around to face whomever he was talking to, you would probably not want him out with you next time.

Now swap out buckshot and replace it with a few thousand pounds of steel and a lot of inertia. There is a lot of killing power there.

OTOH, I'ld be perfectly happy to allow some people to drive w/o regard to speed limits or other restrictions if they were subject to stricter licensing. They would have to prove competence and ability. The goal is to prove you are not a danger to other drivers.

I could care less if you kill yourself, that's not what a society should protect people from. Society (and government) creates a social structure where I have some reasonable assurance that we're trying to eliminate the bad actors. If you can't pay attention to where your car (or gun) is pointed, then you should lose the privilege of pointing it.

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Icon 1 posted December 17, 2011 19:39      Profile for dragonman97   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Along the lines of 'stricter licensing' and proving competency: The NY driver license exam is an absolute joke, and the scariest part is how passing it at ~17/18 is sufficient to last you ~60+ years. In addition to having a more rigorous examination (I recall recent talk of .uk motorcycle exams...which also reminded me of a mate telling me how hard it was to pass for a car license), perhaps it might not be a terrible idea to require reexamination every oh...12 years or so? [i.e. once every 3 renewals]

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Seen the havoc drunk drivers wreck. Seen the havoc cell phone drivers wreck. Seen the havoc sleepy drivers wreck. After everything's stopped moving and the metal's stopped twisting, it all looks the same. Sometimes the drivers walk away, too, because there is a special, separate god for drunkards and total fscking fools.

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TheMoMan
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Icon 1 posted December 18, 2011 06:50      Profile for TheMoMan         Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Since this thread is slowly being hijacked, some thoughts.

Look at RACE CAR and MOTORCYCLE RACING RULES. Size of bike and power of engine are experience based. As you get better you are allowed to go faster.

Michigan has somewhat started graduated licensing but it has too many holes. England and Ireland with their "L" plates would be good in this country.

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Icon 1 posted December 19, 2011 07:33      Profile for Stibbons   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Mobiles + driving (I've probably posted this before, but I love the shock it gets when I use it during teaching).

It's amazing how much using a phone (or radio) distracts you from the task as hand. When that task is trying to keep several tonnes of metal from killing other people, I think the "nanny state" is correct to wade in.

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Icon 1 posted December 19, 2011 19:45      Profile for ewomack   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
I've only had 1 experience with a cell phone and driving... and it was almost my last experience period... I found myself suddenly slowed down 20 MPH below the speed limit and not really sure if I was in the same lane I was in a few seconds ago. Someone nearly hit me (probably trying to pass me). It would all have been my fault. But I don't even own a cellphone (I was borrowing my wife's), so it hasn't caused much of a stir.

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We have laws against discharging a firearm within 500 feet of a residence, why should we not have laws against idiots yakking away on their cell phones while driving? An out-of-control 4000lb chunk of metal flying along at 80mph only feet away from other cars full of people is capable of causing much more carnage than an accidentally discharged pistol.

I also had an experience with a cell phone driver - was driving along minding my business, then suddenly saw an idiot on the right swerving into me, cell phone in his hand. That could have been the last thing I've seen if there were cars in the oncoming lane.

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