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GrumpySteen

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Icon 1 posted September 08, 2008 13:18      Profile for GrumpySteen     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
What's that under the bridge?

Damnit! Now I have to find a new location for the shallow graves

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Grummash

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Icon 1 posted September 08, 2008 13:24      Profile for Grummash     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Steen - I'm sooo sorry! [Frown]

It's just with you scrabbling about under the bridge, and sorta grunting, and gnawing on them bones.... I just thought you were....
oh well. [blush]

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GrumpySteen

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Icon 1 posted September 08, 2008 13:48      Profile for GrumpySteen     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Digging shallow graves is hard work. You get a bit hungry sometimes...

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ASM65816
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Icon 1 posted September 08, 2008 22:46      Profile for ASM65816   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
[shake head]   Why does "everyone" believe that "spend more money" is the first step in fixing the US health care system?

It's completely illogical to think: giving everyone health care insurance will cost less than the current situation where only "some" people have health care insurance.

Why is it that reducing health care costs by reducing "government waste" is not the first step in improving the US health care system?

For example:
quote:
Blatant Medicare Fraud Costs Taxpayers Billions (December 11, 2007)

... While officials claimed the concentrated law enforcement efforts led to a $1.4 billion drop in Medicare billing in the area (another clear indication of the phony nature of many of the earlier claims), they said they have still barely scratched the surface of the fraud schemes involving bogus clinics, fake medicines, and illegitimate medical supply companies.

... To show just how bad it can be, federal officials in Miami pointed to a red electric wheelchair they seized from an illicit company. Normally it would cost about $5,000. But by billing Medicare over and over, nor ever delivering the wheelchair to an actual patient, criminals charged a total of $5 million for that one item alone.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22184921/

 
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Would someone please explain why taking $1.4 billion of fraud, and spending the money elsewhere (like on actual, living, breathing people) would not improve the US health care system?

(I'm still attacking the problem of "waste" in US health care.)

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Originally posted by ASM:

Test Group A: Give Patients $100,000 of medical treatments.
Test Group B: Give Patients $500,000 of medical treatments.

The first step in controlling medical costs is KNOWING WHEN NOT TO SPEND MONEY.

"You" apparently haven't noticed, but typical US health policy is:

      "Don't ask -- just pay."

This is a MAJOR reason why it's so easy to commit fraud in the US health care industry. No one checks the RESULTS (benefits) of medical treatment. If medical records were routinely audited, how would the following go unnoticed?
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A recent report by the inspector general for the Department of Health and Human Services noted that 72 percent of the Medicare claims submitted nationwide for HIV/AIDS treatment in 2005 came from South Florida alone. That percentage is of great concern to authorities, since only eight percent of the country's HIV/AIDS Medicare beneficiaries actually live in South Florida, a clear indication that the level of fraud was, as one official put it, "off the charts."

from "Blatant Medicare Fraud Costs Taxpayers Billions"

At this point, keen "Liberals" might notice that "audit medical records" implies "looking at other people's information," and that's "clearly" invasion of privacy. (Comment on that if you like.)

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The Famous Druid

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If he only had a brain...
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quote:
Originally posted by The Famous Druid:
If he only had a brain...
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TFD, you might need to add a "dumbest" line to your sig......

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ASM65816
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Icon 1 posted September 09, 2008 20:48      Profile for ASM65816   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
How about this: "Your criticism of my argument is flawed."

Attempting to "Cheat Death" Is Not the Same as "Discouraging Death"
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Originally posted by ASM:
Don't Waste Money on "Cheating Death." (Note: "Discouraging Death" is Ok.)

September 08, 2008, 03:55
You argue that treatment for terminally ill people is wasted money as it cannot stop them dying....
Unless you are one of those who believes .... death is just an option, we all have a terminal condition.

FYI: In my "experiment", I argued that the additional $400,000 was wasted. If $100,000 successfully "alleviated suffering", then that money was not wasted (because the treatments did what they were supposed to do). Second, $100,000 should buy quite a bit of morphine.
 
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Here's the difference:
  • "Cheating Death" - Every society has stories about this, and "every time" Death wins, and the story ending is rather messy and filled with misery.
     
  • "Discouraging Death" - Usually it's nothing radical ... stop bleeding, give medicine for a disease, or maybe even CPR. If treatment is successful, "Death" has no reason to (relentlessly) stalk the patient afterwards. For the sake of argument, I'll say any treatment with better than 1-in-20 odds of saving a patient, and costing less than a year's wages, qualifies as "merely discouraging Death."
 
Bottom Line: You can "discourage" death and the consequences will be perfectly acceptable. You can even do MORE than "discourage" death and the consequences won't be too bad. However, attempting to "cheat" death is a Universally Bad Idea (for all practical purposes).

PS: Your statement "the US spends a lot more than other OECD countries for outcomes that are ... often worse" easily supports the premise that spending more does not mean "better."

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GrumpySteen

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There... fixed that for ya.

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