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Icon 1 posted August 17, 2008 14:55      Profile for geekygoddess     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
I'm not so sure how I would react to someone with one of these.

http://jezebel.com/339653/lifelike-baby-dolls-the-new-trend-for-childless-british-women

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Well, if you were a police officer and you saw the doll in the back of a closed-up car in the summer, you'd smash the window

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quote:
Originally posted by Steen:
Well, if you were a police officer and you saw the doll in the back of a closed-up car in the summer, you'd smash the window

Wouldn't that depend on your attitude to children?
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quote:
Originally posted by Steen:
Well, if you were a police officer and you saw the doll in the back of a closed-up car in the summer, you'd smash the window

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If I met someone with one of those dolls, I think I'd probably play along if that's what they expected... just because I'd feel so terrible for them. Sure, it's pretty strange, but how can anyone else openly judge if that's what gives a childless woman some kind of comfort?
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But, don't you think that from a psychological perspective that these women are not addressing their issues and just masking them temporarily? I don't see how this can be healthy in a long term situation. When you have a loss, you should grieve, it is part of a healthy mental life. I think this is just causing more issues down the road. And it's a little creepy [Eek!]

Just my opinion [Razz]

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You do have a point there, and I guess if the person in question was a close friend or family member, then my reaction would be somewhat different. However, when it comes to a stranger/acquaintance, I'm not sure if I'd want to start giving them any sort of advice, or questioning their perspective on things.
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But isn't that what forums in the internet are for, telling complete stragers how to run thier lives. [ohwell]

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quote:
Originally posted by geekygoddess:
But, don't you think that from a psychological perspective that these women are not addressing their issues and just masking them temporarily? I don't see how this can be healthy in a long term situation. When you have a loss, you should grieve, it is part of a healthy mental life. I think this is just causing more issues down the road. And it's a little creepy [Eek!]

Just my opinion [Razz]

I agree wholeheartedly. Steven Spielberg broached this topic quite well in the movie AI. That whole movie was damn creepy, and for the same reason these dolls are creepy.

I don't like the idea of technology (even if the technology is just "very very realistic dolls".. for now) attempting to replace actual human contact. That is to say: making technology to reduce human workload is okay (though I do have some mixed feelings about that too), but producing technology for the sole purpose of having something to love... that's just damn creepy! More than that, it takes us just one step closer to being totally dependent on technology in *every* aspect of our lives.

The draw of technology is convenience, and this doll is no different. The convenience of a baby that never poops, cries, eats, or has to go to the doctor. The convenience of having a baby without having to go through the horrible pain of labor and the expense of child rearing. *sigh* And it seems that we humans are willing to give a little quality to gain a little convenience... I hope this isn't the case here.

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quote:
Originally posted by MacManKrisK:
The convenience of having a baby without having to go through the horrible pain of labor and the expense of child rearing. *sigh* And it seems that we humans are willing to give a little quality to gain a little convenience... I hope this isn't the case here.

This is why I think this will appeal mostly with somewhat "deranged" people - sorry: mentally unstable. For even I who have no urge to get a children (for some of the reasons you mentioned, but also because I feel I would be unable to fulfill a child's need alone, and I am missing a potential father in my life), would rather have a child who learns to walk and break things in the process, who runs toward you mangling a lovely "mummy!", who gets put on the bus for a first day of school, who comes back with a nice drawing, and sometimes a scratch to kiss, than an artificial one. Someone who is content to have a doll to care for should probably not care for a real child, for fear of messing the poor thing up for life.

After all, what is the good of having a baby to love if it can't love you back? I have heard real mothers say they'd wish their child would never grow up, but I know all the same they would say it again in a year, in five, and then ten years later be proud of what their child has become. Take that out of the picture, and you lose the best out of child rearing.

Hopefully, there will always be enough real parents to raise real children properly. And if those dolls prevent messed-up people (even if temporarily) to mess up children, then it may be a good thing. Still creepy, though. [crazy]

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quote:
Originally posted by geekygoddess:
But, don't you think that from a psychological perspective that these women are not addressing their issues and just masking them temporarily? I don't see how this can be healthy in a long term situation. When you have a loss, you should grieve, it is part of a healthy mental life. I think this is just causing more issues down the road. And it's a little creepy [Eek!]

Just my opinion [Razz]

is there a "smartass" html tag? maybe we need one....

maybe this is just my inner atheist coming out, but i wonder if their is a market for 'god' dolls......


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quote:
Originally posted by MacManKrisK:
The convenience of having a baby without having to go through the horrible pain of labor and the expense of child rearing.

Or you can do it the other way round: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPfi4GDF53E
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I know it was a joke, but of course I wanted to see if there was a joke web site to go with it...

As it turns out, Natus Medical Incorporated is a real company with some unusual, but necessary products.

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*shudder* I would argue that the Circumstraint™ isn't necessary for the vast majority of boys.

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My mom sells dolls that look somewhat real but as far as I know no one is getting them to replace an actual child. They do have them made to look like their kids, or grandkids though. And she will push one around in a stroller at malls and public places but only to get potential buyers. Here's what they look like www.tinytotsdolls.com

My siblings and I find them a little creepy. My sister and her husband put the doll body parts all over their house when they were house sitting for my parents once. Had arms coming out of the tea kettle & toaster and a head in the coffee carafe and a doll holding a butcher knife around other body parts of the dolls. They took photos for us [Big Grin]

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Bibo, You made me just spill my coffee. That is hilarious!!!

I don't know why there is such a high "creep factor" on these little dollies? I guess it is the same thing that clowns have that freak me out [Eek!]

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I find all things that look even remotely like a child scary - maybe I'm just not cut out to be a father.

And although they're creepy IRL, I find this image amusing - it puts me in mind of the famous "kittens in a frying pan" for some reason (boil in the bag babies?)

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quote:
Originally posted by Bibo:

My siblings and I find them a little creepy. My sister and her husband put the doll body parts all over their house when they were house sitting for my parents once. Had arms coming out of the tea kettle & toaster and a head in the coffee carafe and a doll holding a butcher knife around other body parts of the dolls. They took photos for us [Big Grin]

was ketchup involved? [Razz]

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Sadly no ketchup was involved. No doll parts were harmed in the making of the incident.
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You know, if you knew of anyone who had a RealDoll, and was, uh, active with it, you could freak them out by sneaking into their house and placing one of those real looking baby dolls in its arms.

Prop them both on the couch, put a bottle of milk in the baby doll's mouth, and of course, hide a camera to record the lovely reaction. If you wanted to have even more fun, set up a recording to play "Look at what we made!" when the front door opens, or they enter the room, etc.

If you were really nasty you could try to get a fresh placenta from a hospital and throw that on the floor inbetween the RealDoll's feet.

Of course, this is just giving me more and more nasty ideas, but I'll leave those for another time. [evil]

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