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Icon 1 posted January 13, 2008 19:55      Profile for Mr. Dave     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20080113

I honestly can't think of anythng more that need be said.

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Icon 1 posted January 13, 2008 21:46      Profile for dragonman97   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Oh yeah...I was reading the paper the other day, and /meant/ to link to this, somehow calling it to Xanthine's attn...but I forgot:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/10/world/asia/11cnd-hillary.html

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Icon 1 posted January 14, 2008 06:44      Profile for Grummash     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
So, farewell then,
Sir Edmund Hilary.
The first person to
conquer Everest.
Or was that Tenzing Norgay?

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Icon 1 posted January 14, 2008 08:53      Profile for Xanthine     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
I saw that a few days ago. [Frown]

He lived an amazing life though. As far as which of the pair made it first, does it really matter?

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Icon 1 posted January 14, 2008 09:34      Profile for Grummash     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Xanthibe:
As far as which of the pair made it first, does it really matter?

In the greater scheme of things, and at this distance in time, probably not - but I have this nagging thought, based on my limited understanding of the climb:

If Hilary was selected for the final push based on his being the strongest and fittest of the group, and Tenzing went with him to the top, why do they rarely, if ever, get joint honours?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not having a pop at Hilary, but I have a sneaky suspicion that in 1953 Great Britain we had not yet shook off the old colonial mindset that would laud the white man's achievement but only give a cursory acknowledgment to the achievements of "the natives".

Just doesn't seem fair, somehow.

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Icon 1 posted January 14, 2008 11:13      Profile for Xanthine     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
They rarely get joint honors because people are morons.

I've always named the two together. Most mountaineers do - in fact, I've never met one that didn't.

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quote:
Originally posted by Grummash:
So, farewell then,
Sir Edmund Hilary.
The first person to
conquer Everest.
Or was that Tenzing Norgay?

I read that as Everquest. It makes more sense now I've reread it.
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quote:
Originally posted by Xanthine:
I've always named the two together. Most mountaineers do - in fact, I've never met one that didn't.

This is heartening news, and it supports an idea I have long cherished - that you can expect a certain level of decency from people who love the mountains and the hills and the moorlands, that you may not find as easily in other areas of society.

And yes, I know I sound like a w**ker in a lot of my posts, but hey - I'm a tree-hugging leftie, it's part of my job to sound like a w**ker... [Wink] [Razz]

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Icon 1 posted January 14, 2008 16:26      Profile for Xanthine     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Well, the wild places do keep the ego in check. Also, your fellow climbers are your first line of defense if you run into trouble. The differences between people are insignificant when you're in an environment that kills indiscriminately. Once you put things into that sort of context, your general attitude towards humanity changes.

That said, I've met some real assholes in the mountains. Putting on a harness and/or a pair of boots does not automatically make you a better person.

ETA: I looked up Norgay in Wikipedia, mainly to see if he was still alive. He died in 1986 (when I was five, so that would be why I don't remember hearing about it). He was awarded several medals for his part in the expedition and apparently Hillary set foot on the summit first. However, the reason why all the summit pictures feature Norgay and not Hillary is because Norgay didn't know how to operate the camera and Hillary decided that the summit of a 8000m peak is not the place to learn. It's at the wish of Norgay, Hillary, and their teammates that who actually topped out first isn't so widely known - the point was to humans on top of Everest. That objective was met. The rest is details.

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