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apparently some countries haven't realized that the metric system makes it sound bigger then it is.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/17/Metric_system.png

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Shouldn't this be in the jokes forum?

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I don't care where you put it. I don't get it.
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quote:
Originally posted by business attire:
I don't care where you put it. I don't get it.

america is one of three countries in the world that uses feet, pounds force, pounds mass, ect. to measure things. Either they are a powerfull leader for not conforming, or they are troglodytes.


I'll take my grams and newtons over pounds force and pounds mass any day.


oh yea, and it is a joke that the numerical value for the lenght of a penis is higher when measured in SI.

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I must just be too innocent...
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You? Innocent?

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So, the map means that the countries in red don't use metric as a standard measure?

This wasn't set up so well . . .

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Actually, the United States adopted the metric system in 1866, and again in 1975, and again in 1988...

Nobody seems to have told the American people though [Frown]

(except the park rangers, I seem to recall park signs giving heights of mountains in metres (sorry, 'meters') when we were there in 1993, strangely, distances between places were still listed in miles)

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I just wish we could go metric and get it over with! This kinda'-in-between thing we have now is really stupid! The populace will conform... eventually.. if all the American manufacturers started to use the metric system to measure things. Most people that are affected by this have already done the first step of conversion and memorized common similar sizes. Most car people already know that 13mm is /almost/ 1/2", and 15mm is /almost/ 5/8" and 8mm is /about/ 5/16"...etc. The scientists know that 20C is 68F... 32F is 0C.. and my favorite, -40F is -40C. I could go on, but I'll stop rambling and make a point.

The first thing that pops to mind w.r.t. this half-way-converted state we're in is the automobile industry (but I'm sure there are plenty of other areas). When I work on my VW... made in 1978 in West Germany (as it says on the door frame)... I know to get out the metric sockets and wrenches and everything goes just fine. When I work on my Buick... made in 1998 in Detroit... I have to switch between metric and Imeperial wrenches and sockets throughout the car. The brace that goes across the width of the front of the car is held on by nuts that are 1/2"... but the side-post battery terminals are 8mm! Of course, if I use the wrong type of wrench on the wrong nut/bolt, I could wind up rounding off the head. [Roll Eyes]

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<great line from "Brazil" />Augh! They've gone metric without tellin' us!

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I hate American System!
I hate knowing that
1 lb = 453.6 g
1 in = 2.54 cm
1 ft = 30.48 cm
1 mi = 1.6 km
Thank you USA, for wasting some of my precious brain.
Mistakes corrected.

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quote:
Originally posted by iWanToUseaMac:
I hate American System!

Thank you USA, for wasting some of my precious brain.

You don't know the half of it...
1 mile = 8 furlongs
1 furlong = 10 chains
1 chain = 4 rods
1 rod = 25 links
1 link = 0.22 yards = 7.92 inches
1 yard = 4 spans = 9 hands = 3 feet
1 foot = 12 inches

Yes, I was made to memorize this when I was in school.

Oh, any we can't blame the merkins for this, they inherited it from the brits.

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quote:
Originally posted by iWanToUseaMac:
I hate American System!
I hate knowing that
1 pd = 453.16 g
1 in = 2.54 cm
1 ft = 30.48 cm
1 mi = 1.6 km
Thank you USA, for wasting some of my precious brain.

here's another nonsensical bit of american information: "pound" is abbreviated "lbs." not "pd."
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quote:
Originally posted by business attire:
quote:
Originally posted by iWanToUseaMac:
I hate American System!
I hate knowing that
1 pd = 453.16 g
1 in = 2.54 cm
1 ft = 30.48 cm
1 mi = 1.6 km
Thank you USA, for wasting some of my precious brain.

here's another nonsensical bit of american information: "pound" is abbreviated "lbs." not "pd."
That's not an American convention -- it probably predates America... I'm not sure, but I suspect it's latin fer somefing. I think it derives from the Roman libra.

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Another strange wrinkle to this. An American pint is 16 fluid oz, which is logical since that is the amount of ounces in a pound, but for some reason we in Britain changed that so that our pint is 20 fluid ounces. I don't know why, but it does mean you get a larger pint of beer, which is a good thing.

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way to screw up that "a pints a pound the world around" rhyme. wankers.
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Lbs comes from the Latin "libra" meaning to weigh.

What about places before the metric system was invented? (Yes there was such a time!) Other countries such as France and Russia used their own varations of the pound during Medieval Times. As its Latin roots suggest, the pound originated from a Roman unit of weight.

So it's not really fair to blame the English soley for the headaches caused by the pound! When the metric system was introduced, it was embraced in some areas more than others. I think France adopted it easily, England has to a great extent only last century whereas USA is still resistant. So it's not about who invented and spread it, but rather who has not yet updated [Cool]

Secondly, there is no harm in knowing abotu other unit systems. It is not a waste of brain. In fact learning more improves your brain, does it not. There is nothing special about the metric system. It is just more convenient. For example, 1000 metres in 1 kilometre. Easy. How many inches in a foot? No idea. However, from an mathematical point of view, where human convenience is irrelevent, nobody cares. Both systems are equally able. You cannot measure something in metric but not imperial.

I made a mistake in this section I can't be bothered to fix lol.

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quote:
Originally posted by business attire:
quote:
Originally posted by iWanToUseaMac:
I hate American System!
I hate knowing that
1 pd = 453.16 g
1 in = 2.54 cm
1 ft = 30.48 cm
1 mi = 1.6 km
Thank you USA, for wasting some of my precious brain.

here's another nonsensical bit of american information: "pound" is abbreviated "lbs." not "pd."
here is an even more monsensical bit of american information about pounds, that americans measrure both mass and force with it.

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Pound is a unit of weight, not mass. And weight is a force. It's the force of gravity. So your corrected sentence should be: pound is used to measure weight and force. Correct.
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Ashitaka wrote:
here is an even more monsensical bit of american information about pounds, that americans measrure both mass and force with it.

Umm... no, we don't.

Force is measured in "pounds force" or "lbf", not "pounds" in English units. More commonly that value is converted into Gs with the assumption that you're using Earth's average gravity as your reference value. While pounds force is not commonly used outside of engineering, most people in the US will have some idea of what a G is.

Amusing side note... our ancestors got gravity measurements wrong too... the average gravity on our planet is slightly less than 1G at sea level. Oops.

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Just FYI - the slug is the US unit for mass.

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Well depending what I read on the net, pounds are either described as a unit of mass or weight. I can't be bothered to figure out which, so I will just stick with kilograms and Newtons. [Cool]
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Here's the NIST description.

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Yeah, so, when I'm trying to figure out the price of something in the frozen northland, first I convert SEK to USD, then approximate grams to pounds. Or liters to gallons. It makes grocery shopping a math-tastic adventure.

And then there is deciphering the ingredients label to make sure the product is vegetarian friendly...

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