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BooBooKitty

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Icon 1 posted April 12, 2007 12:20      Profile for BooBooKitty     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Ahhh... I like how this is logically explained. :-)
http://www.macobserver.com/article/2007/04/10.9.shtml

Eat that, Jim In the Forest! ;-)

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Icon 1 posted April 12, 2007 12:35      Profile for WinterSolstice     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Love it [Big Grin]

I've been running OSX since early 2002. In all that time with my wife, my kids, and myself on the web, we have run into precisely 1 (one) virus. That was a javascript exploit that choked when trying to parse address book, and has never been seen since.

My oldest kid even extensively browsed porn on his mac, and still no viruses, trojans, or issues.

Sure, all OSs are vulnerable. Sure, there is always a chance. However in my non-scientific study, I've never met a mac user with one yet. So they're pretty rare.

OTOH, our Windows admin got his machine rooted last week, and we had a hell of a time getting it clean. I wonder how it snuck past a supposedly good user like that? Our help desk cleans 15-20 viruses a day off people's machines in the field. That's *with* mandatory Norton AV scanning.

Little bit different worlds.

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Icon 1 posted April 12, 2007 13:15      Profile for Sxeptomaniac   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Interesting article, but I'm not sure I agree with this premise:
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Given that most virus authors and hackers are in it for the ego, don't you think that there would be a huge incentive to be the first one to write a widespread OS X, Linux, or FreeBSD virus?" Paul Venezia asked.
It seems to me that most current virus authors/hackers are in it for money, either through spam or identity theft, at least judging by the kinds of threats that have surfaced in the last several years.

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quote:
Originally posted by WinterSolstice:
Our help desk cleans 15-20 viruses a day off people's machines in the field. That's *with* mandatory Norton AV scanning

In my experience, Norton AV is worse than most viruses. [thumbsdown]

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BooBooKitty, WinterSolstice, Sxeptomaniac & The Famous Druid _______________________ A good friend has a unique method. He has built a kick butt box but with no hard drives. CD-ROM and a CD Burner. plus plenty of Ram. He Surfs with a Live Knoppix CD and if he finds something that is of interest he saves that to an external USB drive. He claims that he has never had a virus at least on his Comp. I am not up to that level of paranoid yet, however I hear that even Ubuntu is not immune

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Icon 1 posted April 12, 2007 14:00      Profile for dragonman97   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Druid: Amen.

MoMan: Hell yeah...but it still doesn't stop one from getting phished, though. [Wink]
Only grey matter can fix that one. [Razz]

Regarding Ubuntu not being 'immune,' I'm not quite sure what that's about, but almost *every* system out there has some degree of vulnerability. It all comes down to how you use it and maintain it. If you [generic] take heed of /anything/ I say, let this be the most important message - keep up to date on OS and software updates! This is your first line of defense against current exploits.

Winter: They're probably running with local admin rights, right? Windows (2K/XP) is actually pretty damn secure if you don't leave it wide open. (But it's so secure that you can't necessarily use it comfortably.)

Sxepto: I agree with you that I disagree with the premise of the 'article.' [Smile]
Money is a huge factor right now in all the badware that's being spread through the Internet, and it simply isn't worth any of the badware authors' time to make something that will be targetted at a limited audience.

Let's be honest...there are plenty of Mac users who would open the trojans anyway... (fewer than on Windows, though - but part of that is a matter of self-selection)

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Icon 1 posted April 12, 2007 14:35      Profile for GameMaster   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
ditto the DMan.
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Icon 1 posted April 12, 2007 14:37      Profile for The Famous Druid     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by WinterSolstice:
My oldest kid even extensively browsed porn on his mac, and still no viruses, trojans, or issues.

On the subject of safe web surfing...

VMWare now offers a free VMWare player, and their web site has a large collection of free pre-packaged VM images, including a 'safe surfing' one which is a cut-down Linux image, pre-configured for web surfing.

You can surf the dodgiest sites around, and even if you do encounter malware that would work on Linux, it's only your VM image that gets infected, not your real computer. To remove it, just delete the VM image and drop in a new copy.

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Icon 1 posted April 12, 2007 14:41      Profile for WinterSolstice     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by dragonman97:
Druid: Amen.
Winter: They're probably running with local admin rights, right? Windows (2K/XP) is actually pretty damn secure if you don't leave it wide open. (But it's so secure that you can't necessarily use it comfortably.)

The windows users certainly are - we have apps that were so *ahem* well *ahem* programmed they will only run that way.

My kids however, don't have admin rights - since it's pretty easy to run a mac that way.

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