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The real Stealth
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Come back safe man.

but never forget:
"Information, the first principle of warfare, must form the foundation of all your efforts. Know, of course, thine enemy. But in knowing him do not forget above all to know thyself. The commander who embraces this totality of battle shall win even with the inferior force."
-- Spartan Battle Manual

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I made it here.

We landed into a dust storm then it started raining mud wich was fun.

I'm off to get some work done. Thaks for all the blessings and I'll be checking in later.

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quote:
Originally posted by TheMoMan:
Jace_____________________Stay away from the Hospital men, I do not know know about the towelheads, but the slopes had a bounty on us.

Real nice [shake head]
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Just thought I would post this. It's a picture form the going away/family time just before we hoped on the bus to leave.

I thought it was cool...

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Capt' Vic_______________________I was trying to say to Jace don't do any thing that would cause a "Medic" to open his unit one. In Vietnam there was a bounty on Corps men and the unit ones. I forbade the Marines around me to ever call me Doc or Medic, call me by my first name. I was a good corpsman The bad ones the marines let get killed. I was in that sellect group, high bounty and only a hand gun for protection. Radio ops had it tough too.

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quote:
Originally posted by TheMoMan:
Capt' Vic_______________________I was trying to say to Jace don't do any thing that would cause a "Medic" to open his unit one. In Vietnam there was a bounty on Corps men and the unit ones. I forbade the Marines around me to ever call me Doc or Medic, call me by my first name. I was a good corpsman The bad ones the marines let get killed. I was in that sellect group, high bounty and only a hand gun for protection. Radio ops had it tough too.

I think his issue was more (and rightfully so) the use of the terms 'towelheads' and 'slopes'.
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Cap't Vic & DNF__________________________Was I being Politically correct? Depends where you are, when you hear what I have to say, Jace a member of this august forum is some one that I want to return with few or no scars and alive. So I said things that dehumanized his opponent, a very capable opponent. If Jace does not keep his opponent as dehumanized he may actually feel sympathy for said opponent. AT THAT POINT HE BECOMES A LIABILITY TO HIMSELF AND HIS UNIT. He has to keep his foes dehumanized. I want him to come home with out the aid of an other Corpsmen and with out a Purple Heart. That is one Medal I do not want him to earn. Yes I used dehumanizing words and I will stand behind there use.

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quote:
Originally posted by TheMoMan:
Cap't Vic & DNF__________________________Was I being Politically correct? Depends where you are, when you hear what I have to say, Jace a member of this august forum

Mo! This is January. August is not for another 6.1 months! (Approximately)

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quote:
Originally posted by TheMoMan:
Cap't Vic & DNF__________________________Was I being Politically correct? Depends where you are, when you hear what I have to say, Jace a member of this august forum is some one that I want to return with few or no scars and alive. So I said things that dehumanized his opponent, a very capable opponent. If Jace does not keep his opponent as dehumanized he may actually feel sympathy for said opponent. AT THAT POINT HE BECOMES A LIABILITY TO HIMSELF AND HIS UNIT. He has to keep his foes dehumanized. I want him to come home with out the aid of an other Corpsmen and with out a Purple Heart. That is one Medal I do not want him to earn. Yes I used dehumanizing words and I will stand behind there use.

I'd rather he failed miserably in injuring a single human being, and that those in his unit did the same.

Just as I'd hope that anyone out there fails miserably at harming anyone in his unit.

I realise that's the pacifist, impossible way, but I still don't think 'dehumanising' is a legitimate excuse for racism. The basic human instinct and will to live should be enough should he come under attack.

Also, it definitely doesn't apply to 'slopes' as the Vietnam war has been over for > 30 years, Korea for > 50. and WWII for > 60.

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quote:
Originally posted by drunkennewfiemidget:

Also, it definitely doesn't apply to 'slopes' as the Vietnam war has been over for > 30 years, Korea for > 50. and WWII for > 60.

How 'bout 'Canucks'?

Can we still say, "Canucks"?

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quote:
Originally posted by garlicguy:
Can we still say, "Canucks"?

You probably can, but you'll be saying it with a silly septic-tank accent. [Wink]

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Australians=
All undesirables sent to remote, arid land in a nasty sailboat.

[Wink]

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quote:
Originally posted by drunkennewfiemidget:
I think his issue was more (and rightfully so) the use of the terms 'towelheads' and 'slopes'.

That is exactly what I was referring to. Mo, surely you know that we have a few 'towelheads' and 'slopes' as upstanding members here on GC and I'm pretty sure they wouldn't like to be victimised by your vile, racist and hateful spewings.

Trying to mask your racism with that mil-speak shit doesn't wash either. Vietnam is not unlike Iraq; both illegal and unwinable wars. You can plug your nose and try to swallow without tasting but at the end of the day your government is sending people overseas to kill other people. That 'towel head' or 'slope' in your rifle sights probably has a family at home hoping and praying they will come home safe too. I hope that before the inevitable fall of the US as a super power they will for once learn from the fucking mistakes.

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Capn' Vic_____________________Do you know the word conscript. I do.

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Conscript. Hmmm. Seems to me if the citizens of any country thought any particular war was justified there wouldn't be the need for conscription but droves of volunteers.

Here are a couple big words.

Conscientious Objector (AKA Draft Dodger) or if you can't stomach that you could always vote (AKA Democracy) for a party who is less likely to wage war in a foreign land to line their own pockets, stimulate the economy or steal resources. But I digress.

/drift

My post was to call you out on your racist hatred, which you obviously have no intention of backing down on so, case closed.

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While I tend to dislike the use of such terms as TheMoMan used, my experience is that it isn't necessarily an indicator of racism when used by vets. In many cases, the term isn't directed at the race in general, but the specifically at the ones with intent to harm fellow soldiers. Is it right? No. Are there mitigating circumstances, meaning that we shouldn't get too holier-than-thou? I believe so.

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We got in trouble for calling them Hadji's. We still do but for the most part we call them all Canadians.
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quote:
Originally posted by Sxeptomaniac:
While I tend to dislike the use of such terms as TheMoMan used, my experience is that it isn't necessarily an indicator of racism when used by vets. In many cases, the term isn't directed at the race in general, but the specifically at the ones with intent to harm fellow soldiers. Is it right? No. Are there mitigating circumstances, meaning that we shouldn't get too holier-than-thou? I believe so.

Oh, I get it. So after you kill someone of a certain race, you then are allowed to subject anyone of that race to slurs based on their ethnicity. It is amazing why the rest of the world isn't chomping at the bit to get US style 'freedom and democracy' franchises set up in their countries *snerk* because from the outside it sounds great.

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quote:
Originally posted by Cap'n Vic:
quote:
Originally posted by Sxeptomaniac:
While I tend to dislike the use of such terms as TheMoMan used, my experience is that it isn't necessarily an indicator of racism when used by vets. In many cases, the term isn't directed at the race in general, but the specifically at the ones with intent to harm fellow soldiers. Is it right? No. Are there mitigating circumstances, meaning that we shouldn't get too holier-than-thou? I believe so.

Oh, I get it. So after you kill someone of a certain race, you then are allowed to subject anyone of that race to slurs based on their ethnicity. It is amazing why the rest of the world isn't chomping at the bit to get US style 'freedom and democracy' franchises set up in their countries *snerk* because from the outside it sounds great.
"Ones" refers to individuals, not races.

Interesting how your condemnation of hateful postings seems to apply to comments about everyone except US citizens.

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quote:
Originally posted by Sxeptomaniac:
Interesting how your condemnation of hateful postings seems to apply to comments about everyone except US citizens.

Are you channeling ASM? [Wink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Sxeptomaniac:
Interesting how your condemnation of hateful postings seems to apply to comments about everyone except US citizens.

Um, there's a difference between condemning a country's leadership and the decisions they make, and the citizens at large. For example, I happen to think that the administration of both the US and Australia at present are run by a bunch of ass-clowns, but that doesn't make me a racist.

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quote:
Originally posted by csk:
quote:
Originally posted by Sxeptomaniac:
Interesting how your condemnation of hateful postings seems to apply to comments about everyone except US citizens.

Um, there's a difference between condemning a country's leadership and the decisions they make, and the citizens at large. For example, I happen to think that the administration of both the US and Australia at present are run by a bunch of ass-clowns, but that doesn't make me a racist.
Agreed. However, it does beg the question when you respond to a couple of posts containing some inappropriate slurs by spouting venomous comments regarding his entire nation. I wouldn't necessarily call it racism, but I don't consider it anywhere close to a reasonable response, either. (looking at my above comment again this morning, it's not quite what I was trying to say, but I'm kind of stuck with it now, so the best I can do is try to explain my meaning)

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Racial epithets are a coping mechanism and, like most other coping mechanisms, a sign of mental illness or imbalance. We see a lot of them in times of war or slavery or some other social imbalance because we feel the need to be the heros in our story. I could never kill another human being, but maybe I could shoot a crack-monkey in the head at close range without feeling so much remorse. (Crack-monkey is mine: it's a poly-ethnic slur applied to anyone that pisses me off. Beats the hell out of picking a real racial slur for demonstrative purposes.)

Returning soldiers must hold fast to their gross generalizations and demeaning stereotypes because, otherwise, they will be forced to come to terms with the fact that they've killed human beings. Now, I've never killed another human being myself, but it seems to me like there'd be a shit-load of emotional baggage attached to the act. Throughout history (and doubtless under some commanders during the Vietnam Mistake) conscientious objectors were not granted immunity- they were killed or placed in the direct line of fire. Under that kind of extreme duress I'm sure that most of us would find that we've acquired additional moral flexibility.

The only way to eliminate the tendency (and emotional necessity) for soldiers to demean the humans that they've killed is to put in power a collection of government representatives that will refrain from engaging in warfare. As long as we are forced to kill one another for a collection of crack-monkeys who've never served themselves, we will find ourselves confronted with soldiers who resort to pretending that some humans are less valuable than others.

My big issue arrises in U.S. news coverage. Why is it that we only hear about 100 people dying if one of them was a U.S. citizen? Our entire society would seem to be founded on the belief of differential human value. That will remain even after we've eliminated the ugly words.

The trouble with political correctness is that it serves to disguise our problems more often than it resolves them.

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