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drunkennewfiemidget
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Shawn Hogan
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Icon 14 posted July 26, 2006 16:25      Profile for Ugh, MightyClub     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Sweet, rock on Shawn!

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Finally some good news!! WhoooO!!!! [Big Grin] [Big Grin]

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Icon 1 posted July 27, 2006 17:12      Profile for AntonTakk   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
wouldn't it be nice if the mpaa lost and as a result ended up having to pay back and out so much in fines that they went broke?


(just some fanciful dreaming)

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Icon 1 posted July 27, 2006 18:49      Profile for alfrin     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Watch, this case will drag on, lose media attention, if he wins or loses it won't be as big of a deal unfortunately. These lawyers know how to work and milk these things until its quickly forgotten in which they move into settlements.

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Maybe I'm really clueless here, but don't the MPAA have an obligation to prove that the defendant is guilty?
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quote:
Originally posted by uilleann:
Maybe I'm really clueless here, but don't the MPAA have an obligation to prove that the defendant is guilty?

Legally, yes. That hasn't really stopped them before. They're running a scare tactic operation. After all, they tried to sue a dead person! Most [living] people end up settling, as the cost of fighting is prohibitive, even if they're innocent.

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Icon 1 posted July 27, 2006 21:14      Profile for -ct-   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
i'd love to have them come after me

i'd gladly take it to court! all i have to do is sit there and make them prove whatever it is they're accusing me of

i haven't heard of ANYONE going to court for this crap yet, so it'd be interesting to find out what they really have as "proof"

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Hogan, who coded his way to millions as the CEO of Digital Point Solutions, is determined to change this.
Coded his way to millions.. I liked the sound of that [hearts]

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uilleann
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"Coded his way to the love of a techie girl" sounds better. Much better. :wishful:
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uilleann wrote:
Maybe I'm really clueless here, but don't the MPAA have an obligation to prove that the defendant is guilty?

Sort of. The case filed is a civil case, not a criminal case. In a criminal case, you have to prove guilt beyond reasonable doubt. In a civil case, you need only show a preponderance of evidence. In other words, the MPAA only has to prove that it's likely that he did what they say. They don't have to prove beyond all doubt that he did.

Unfortunately that generally means a defense such as owning a copy of the DVD, while enough to cast doubt on your downloading of a movie, is not enough to eliminate doubt and won't prevent you from paying a fine.

On the other hand, Mr. Hogan has money and a lawyer who will understand this, so I doubt that his defense will be based on the ownership of the DVD. I think the statement that he owns the DVD is more likely meant to sway public opinion rather than as an actual defense. After all, why would you tip the opposing counsel on your defense strategy with public statements?

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I can't believe that only this one case in software piracy has come to my attention, it happens so much and yet very few get convicted,

Would'nt it be easier to sue the actully bit-torrent providers, and the clients to them instead of the user?

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Interesting bit of news ...
Looks as though the RIAA has quietly dropped several lawsuit cases rather quickly because the defense started to 'cry IP':

For years, the RIAA has claimed that having the IP address of a computer that has shared unauthorized files is the equivalent of having the evidence of who was actually sharing files. That, of course, is false. The IP address simply can help you know who paid for the internet access, but not who was using what computer on a network. In fact, this even had some people suggesting that, if you want to win a lawsuit from the RIAA, you're best off opening up your WiFi network to neighbors.

It seems like this strategy might actually be working. Earlier this month the inability to prove who actually did the file sharing caused the RIAA to drop a case in Oklahoma and now it looks like the same defense has worked in a California case as well. In both cases, though, as soon as the RIAA realized the person was using this defense, they dropped the case, rather than lose it and set a precedent showing they really don't have the unequivocal evidence they claim they do.

http://techdirt.com/articles/20060727/1131227.shtml


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fs

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quote:
Originally posted by maybe.logic:
Would'nt it be easier to sue the actully bit-torrent providers, and the clients to them instead of the user?

Uh, you mean the sites that host the trackers but aren't actually hosting any copyrighted material? Or do you mean the people who develop the software (and then give it away for free)?

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the people who develop the software...
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And the software is illegal because?
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quote:
Originally posted by maybe.logic:
the people who develop the software...

Wrong answer. BitTorrent is open source, and provides excellent tracking of all the file sharing. Only a moron would use it for illegally distributing copyright protected content. (Oh, wait a minute...)

Your argument is tantamount to suing gun manufacturers, saying 'people don't kill people, guns kill people.'

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It's just that ... certain noise they make ...
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Icon 1 posted July 28, 2006 18:08      Profile for The Famous Druid     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by maybe.logic:
the people who develop the software...

There's lots of legitimate uses of bittorrent.

I'm sharing the DVD image of Knoppix at the moment, lots of Linux distros (and other free software) use bitTorrent as their preferred method of distribution these days, as do sad gits like these

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