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Colonel Panic
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Icon 1 posted April 23, 2006 15:52      Profile for Colonel Panic         Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
If you haven't gotten the e-mail yet, the political right is in the back pocket of every industry lobbyist in the USA.

That includes the people who distribute music and would love to see every computer user in jail, and subpeona every hard drive in the free world.

Right now there is new DMCA legislation, sponsored by Americaís radical right wing, that effectively gives the government and industry 100% total access to all your computer data. ALL OF IT.

If this legislation passes, the people who tried to disable the spyware Sony was installing with its music CDs last year would get 10 years in jail.

Worse, even discussing how to disable the software would make you a felony candidate.

And even worse this legislation gives the government, and the Recording Industry virtually unlimited authority to subpeaona and access your most private records for the flimsiest reasons. Simply being a geek on a geek site could make you a suspect.

Truly, can you afford the $50,000 to $100,000 it will take to defend yourself from a corporate-sponsored lawsuit because you made a post disagreeing with the monsters who sponsored this legislation?

Youíve seen how the recording industry has treated minors who downloaded just one song, and all the grief it caused parents and grandparents. Now the government wants to add its might to subpeona and arrest innocent computer owners.

And itís all coming under the right wingís assumption that all people are guilty until they have been proven innocent.

Here's the link to some of the things that the righties want to do to you: http://news.com.com/2100-1028_3-6064016.html?part=rss&tag=6064016&subj=news

True to everything the right wing has touched, from Iraq to Katrina, this legislation is poorly conceived, poorly written and designed only to benefit the richest of the rich while putting a costly legal burden on every American who uses a computer.

Join the fight. Help protect your freedoms. Geeks will be the first on the list of suspects. Fight back. Fight righty. And never forget the righties on this forum may be the righties who turn you in!

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Icon 9 posted April 23, 2006 16:17      Profile for schnurren     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
So I guess anyone who goes against the corporation is an enemy combatant who loses his/her rights and can expect a punishment radically out of line for the crime, or suspected crime, or potential for crime.
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Colonel Panic
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Icon 1 posted April 23, 2006 16:36      Profile for Colonel Panic         Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
schnurren,

We've already seen how the RIAA crushes ants with sledgehammers.

Now they would like to enlist the US government in helping them pursue their goals.

Apparently, because United States taxpayers would enjoy paying for the extra agents and prosecuters needed to enforce this law.

Apparently, they have the world's terrorism, kiddie porn, white slavery, illegal immigration and drug trafficking problems so well in hand they can afford to go after six year old children (and their parents) who illegallly download copies of Barney singing, "I love you. You love me."

The US government, particularly this administration has never wavered from its pursuit of the insignificantly banal at the expense of defending us against the truly frightening. In fact, this admistration has proven expert in creating threats that don't exists in order to avoid crushing the true threats. For example Osama is free, Saddam is not.

In short, you suppose right.

CP

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Icon 1 posted April 23, 2006 18:26      Profile for TheMoMan         Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Colonel Panic____________________You should also be aware that The Majic Kindom is in this very deeply, you see they are the ones that had some of the copy right laws expanded so that they would not have to worry about Mickey Mouse becoming public domain. Oh I really trust ABC (owned by Disney) and Capital Cities Intertainment owners of Radio and Television Stations USA wide also (owned by Disney). Where else do their tenticels reach?

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GameMaster
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Icon 1 posted April 24, 2006 09:40      Profile for GameMaster   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
DMCA isn't a party issue. Both the asses and elephants were for it. 1998 was a dark year for copyright law. Sen. Feingold, Dem. WI, whom I hate, was the representative from my area when DMCA was being crafted. He voted for it. I wasn't quite voting age, but the first chance I got, I voted against him.

"Worse, even discussing how to disable the software would make you a felony candidate." This is already the case, as it is illegal to spread information on getting arround copyright protection.

Personally, I'd love to see someone sue Sony to death. And to see everyone to boycott any hardware with with Trusted Computing...

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It's not just the "radical right wing" that's responsible for all this crap. One of the worst offenders for many years was Senator Ernest "Fritz" Hollings of South Carolina, a Democrat. In fact, he was so under the thumb of the copyright cartel, people usually referred to him as "Sen. Hollings (D-Disney)."

And don't forget that the original DMCA was signed into law by Bill Clinton.

Basically, both the Donks and the Packs are "dirty" in this case. The copyright cartel passes its boodle out freely to both sides in hopes of getting protection for its business models written into law.

EDIT: Hat tip to GameMaster, who points out the same thing I did.

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Icon 1 posted April 24, 2006 10:14      Profile for GameMaster   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
I've forwarded TFA on to IEEE-CS chapter here at the university, and I want to get everyone I know who cares about this issue to stop whining about it and actually write to our senators and congress people.

I'd like to make a form to e-mail to all Wisconsin representatives about the DMCA. I think a decent form letter with space for people to add their own ranting would be a good idea.

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about 6 months ago, i sent RIAA a printed directory listing of *all* music and video files on my LAN

i DARED them to *DO* something, anything

i ain't heard back yet, and probably never will


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quote:
Originally posted by drunkennewfiemidget:
It's days like these I'm proud to be Canadian.

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Hands US passport at US/Canada border to DHS officer.

If you are willing to get trampled and not speak up then you deserve to get trampled.

No one feels they have a say anymore in the political process, many American voters are indifferent, and this is what happens...

To sum it up nicely, "America, asleep at the wheel".

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quote:
Originally posted by Maggs:
quote:
Originally posted by drunkennewfiemidget:
It's days like these I'm proud to be Canadian.

Maggs sings
"O Canada!
Our home and native land!"...

Hands US passport at US/Canada border to DHS officer.

If you are willing to get trampled and not speak up then you deserve to get trampled.

No one feels they have a say anymore in the political process, many American voters are indifferent, and this is what happens...

To sum it up nicely, "America, asleep at the wheel".

I agree

"The real villians of Animal Farm were the sheep."

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Icon 1 posted April 25, 2006 00:54      Profile for The Famous Druid     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by schnurren:
So I guess anyone who goes against the corporation is an enemy combatant who loses his/her rights and can expect a punishment radically out of line for the crime, or suspected crime, or potential for crime.

You may have thought that was a joke schnurren, but Homeland Security are invoking the Patriot Act to protect americans from terrorist toys

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quote:
Originally posted by The Famous Druid:
quote:
Originally posted by schnurren:
So I guess anyone who goes against the corporation is an enemy combatant who loses his/her rights and can expect a punishment radically out of line for the crime, or suspected crime, or potential for crime.

You may have thought that was a joke schnurren, but Homeland Security are invoking the Patriot Act to protect americans from terrorist toys
I don't think they were joking, have you read the article. Searches and seizers of property in Copyright cases wouldn't be returned, you'd be able to be jailed for 10 years. This is insaine.

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Newf, correct me if I'm wrong on this one.... but I believe that under Canadian law, it's still not illegal to download anything...... Uploading is still illegal here, but you can legally download as many purple dinosaur (read: barney) songs as you want from P2P networks

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It's a really big grey area here in Canada as to pirating, but here's how I understand it, but don't quote me, IANAL, YMMV, IRAH, etc.

- Downloading and copying data in Canada is not illegal if you do so and keep it for your own use.
- Distributing copyrighted works is illegal.
- When you buy a blank DVD or CD, it is taxed on the assumption you're going to use it for illegal purposes, with the intent of that levy to be given to the Canadian version of the RIAA. From what I've read, but cannot confirm, that Canadian RIAA has pocketed every cent of those levies, and artists have seen nothing.

But thanks ot that particular levy, you've already been tried, and convicted of piracy just by buying the blank, and thanks to double-jeopardy rules, you can now use that CD to make illegal CDs, as you've already been convicted of it.

How true any of this is, I don't know, but I do *NOT* buy CDs or DVDs and haven't in some time ever since those assmasters at the RIAA sued a 12 year old girl, and I never will again, either.

I support bands I like by going to their concerts -- and I've been to HUNDREDS.

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Newf, correct me if I'm wrong on this one.... but I believe that under Canadian law, it's still not illegal to download anything...... Uploading is still illegal here, but you can legally download as many purple dinosaur (read: barney) songs as you want from P2P networks
I think the US the reverse was true once... That downloading (the copying was), but to simply leave your file in a public space was not... That was a long time ago, and I don't know if I'm right about that at all.

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