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Elvermere
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Icon 2 posted March 23, 2006 05:51      Profile for Elvermere     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Hi all

I'm just wondering what is going on with expressions in the rest of the world.

Australia has just started its new tourism campaign (see here and click on the tv ad)
and apparently we have done the offence trifecta.

England objects to the word "bloody"
Canada objects to the portrayal of beer drinking (wtf?)
America objects to the phrase "bloody hell"

See here

Now I'm an Aussie (surprise! [crazy] ) and this phrase has been more or less accepted since my parents day (lets call it 20yrs) or at least since "Kingswood Country" (for those older Aussies).

Now is this a case of other countries not changing their social norms, or are we hearing purely the vocal minority of the "do-gooders".

I'd post more, but depending on the response here, it may have to be moved to rants and raves.

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The AFA are a bunch of zealots who would be happy to have the government enforce rules on morality so that people will never have to judge for themselves. I go out of my way to buy products they want to boycott.
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I don't care what people say. It's slang it changes from place to place. I find accents sexy. And words in different context are part of that accent Ya you betcha don't ya know.

Ok we really don't talk like we are from the movie Fargo. Well ok if you go to some small towns away from the Twin Cities you hear some people talk like that.

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Icon 1 posted March 23, 2006 07:37      Profile for drunkennewfiemidget     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
It's been disallowed here because it promotes 'unbranded alcohol consumption'.

Oddly, if they threw the word 'molson' on the glass, it'd be OK, or some other brand of Australian beer.

Why the law is like that, I'm not sure, but I'm sure they have their reasons.

They've also refused to run the commercials during 'family shows', but that only accounts for a few hours a week.

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Icon 1 posted March 23, 2006 07:40      Profile for magefile     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Elvermere:
England objects to the word "bloody"
Canada objects to the portrayal of beer drinking (wtf?)
America objects to the phrase "bloody hell"

Fuck 'em if they can't take a joke.
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Bloody hell, I'll drink my bloody beer whenever I bloody feel like it!
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Icon 1 posted March 23, 2006 08:41      Profile for Bibo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
We have it here in the states too. In a local paper a woman sent a letter to the editor about an ad than had run with a swear word in it, the swear word was "suck" [Roll Eyes] . The ad was for DirecTV and something like "does your TV suck? I am in the "Bible belt" area of my state, many ultra conservative republican christians live around here.
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People need to stop all this. Do we want to go back to a time when every thing was illiegal just for the sake of it. More oppression is the last thing this world needs. So I say to all the people that complain about all these small little insignificant things. Deal with it. It's not the end of the world. People need to stop getting offended so much. Really does it matter? They are just words. It's what makes different cultuers so unique.

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Icon 1 posted March 23, 2006 11:19      Profile for canadiangeek     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
That ad makes me really mad.

It makes me want to leave this cubicle, and snow-covered province.

I suddently want to go somewhere warm, drink a cold beer, and go swimming.

WAIT A MINUTE,

what the bloody hell?

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Elvermere_____________________Not too far from where we live now. A drunken Canoest fell into the river, being shallow and slow moving he could stand up, He then started shouting a string of profanities, in general (mostly words that rhimed with smuck), there was also a family backyard pinik going while this jerk was shouting his profanties. They asked him to be quiet because of the children present, this of course made him louder. At the same time a Deputy Sheriff happened to be talking to a driver on the approchment to the bridge over said river, he could clearly hear both the mother and the jerk. Michigan has an antiprofanities act written about one hundred years ago. The Deputy was forced to arrest the jerk and the case went to trial of first amendment rights, it cost the county a boat load of money to try this case and all of the appeals, however in all of this not once has this jerk ever apoligized to the family that he was shouting at. Who was wrong.

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quote:
Originally posted by TheMoMan:
Elvermere_____________________Not too far from where we live now. A drunken Canoest fell into the river, being shallow and slow moving he could stand up, He then started shouting a string of profanities, in general (mostly words that rhimed with smuck), there was also a family backyard pinik going while this jerk was shouting his profanties. They asked him to be quiet because of the children present, this of course made him louder. At the same time a Deputy Sheriff happened to be talking to a driver on the approchment to the bridge over said river, he could clearly hear both the mother and the jerk. Michigan has an antiprofanities act written about one hundred years ago. The Deputy was forced to arrest the jerk and the case went to trial of first amendment rights, it cost the county a boat load of money to try this case and all of the appeals, however in all of this not once has this jerk ever apoligized to the family that he was shouting at. Who was wrong.

The man in the canoe is an uncuth jerk. I doubt anyone would question that. He needs to learn to deal with misfortune and other people for that matter. The thing is that I think the family on the shore has a much worse problem than the canoeist. The family on the beach, like many many many people in this world, become offended at things that should not offend them. Using low (bad) language in my opinion just shows poor intelligence.
To become offended for hearing a syllable. It doesn't harm them, they should live and let live. What makes one syllable bad and anouther ok? It's meaning? If he was yelling "intercourse", I doubt the people on the shore would have been that offended.The thing is the charachter flaw of the man in the canoe is not nearly as dangerous of the character flaws of the people on the shore. I think it is incredibly dangerous for people to become offended at things that hurt noone. This is what starts religious wars and racial hate.

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What we aussies sometimes forget is that, compared to some other countries, we're a bunch of foul-mouthed c***s !

Gets us in trouble all the time.

I found it interesting that they aired the ad during 'Lost' - a show about a bunch of people whos plane crashed while flying between oz and the USA. I can see it now, the bikini-clad lovely entices them to come to oz ("Hey Martha - lets go to ah-stralia for our vacation"), then the next thing they see is some poor schmuck being dismembered by a polar bear ("On second thoughts...")


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Originally posted by Ashitaka:
What makes one syllable bad and anouther ok? It's meaning? If he was yelling "intercourse", I doubt the people on the shore would have been that offended.

If he'd been shouting "Bugger" he probably wouldn't have been arrested, and yet the act it describes is more offensive to many people than "fsck".

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quote:
Originally posted by Ashitaka:
The thing is that I think the family on the shore has a much worse problem than the canoeist. The family on the beach, like many many many people in this world, become offended at things that should not offend them. Using low (bad) language in my opinion just shows poor intelligence.
To become offended for hearing a syllable. It doesn't harm them, they should live and let live. What makes one syllable bad and anouther ok? It's meaning? If he was yelling "intercourse", I doubt the people on the shore would have been that offended.The thing is the charachter flaw of the man in the canoe is not nearly as dangerous of the character flaws of the people on the shore. I think it is incredibly dangerous for people to become offended at things that hurt noone. This is what starts religious wars and racial hate.

Sorry, Ashitaka, but I think your opinion is a bit short-sighted. We are all raised to know boundaries, in that some things should not be done in some settings. When someone violates that, we are offended. People will have beliefs regarding what behavior is inappropriate/offensive, no matter what culture they are from.

If the family only politely asked the man to stop using such loud profanity, then I see nothing wrong with their behavior or beliefs. The man was being extremely insensetive to their culture, and, while I question the wisdom of making his behavior illegal, he certainly was in the wrong.

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If he'd been shouting "Bugger" he probably wouldn't have been arrested, and yet the act it describes is more offensive to many people than "fsck".

In many areas of the U.S., "bugger" does not have that kind of meaning. It probably wouldn't carry much more weight than "cow," and I seem to recall that's a pretty strong insult elsewhere. [Wink]

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Originally posted by The Famous Druid:
If he'd been shouting "Bugger" he probably wouldn't have been arrested, and yet the act it describes is more offensive to many people than "fsck".

In many areas of the U.S., "bugger" does not have that kind of meaning. It probably wouldn't carry much more weight than "cow," and I seem to recall that's a pretty strong insult elsewhere. [Wink]
Yeah, you'd think. But a lot of captioners (for TV and for live captioning [in classrooms, for example]) have their systems set up to replace any instances of "bugger" with "beggar". Which probably says something about the stigma of poverty, too ... anyway, my point was that bugger, while not as strong in the US as elsewhere, is also becoming an "uncomfortable word".

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quote:
Originally posted by Elvermere:

England objects to the word "bloody"
Canada objects to the portrayal of beer drinking (wtf?)
America objects to the phrase "bloody hell"

Clearly they are all extremely jealous and did not pass the points test so they could move here like I did. [Big Grin]

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How did you pass the points test? I know something about it because my friend wanted to emigrate from Switzerland to Australia. It was bloody difficult.
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ARJ wrote:
Clearly they are all extremely jealous and did not pass the points test so they could move here like I did. [Big Grin]

That was an un-suitable thing to say [Smile]

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quote:
Originally posted by TheMoMan:
Elvermere_____________________Not too far from where we live now. A drunken Canoest fell into the river, being shallow and slow moving he could stand up, He then started shouting a string of profanities, in general (mostly words that rhimed with smuck), there was also a family backyard pinik going while this jerk was shouting his profanties. They asked him to be quiet because of the children present, this of course made him louder. At the same time a Deputy Sheriff happened to be talking to a driver on the approchment to the bridge over said river, he could clearly hear both the mother and the jerk. Michigan has an antiprofanities act written about one hundred years ago. The Deputy was forced to arrest the jerk and the case went to trial of first amendment rights, it cost the county a boat load of money to try this case and all of the appeals, however in all of this not once has this jerk ever apoligized to the family that he was shouting at. Who was wrong.

Couldn't they have just charged him with public drunkeness?

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Well it's interesting the responses to this. I guess my view on this is very Covey (I've just been reading his 7 habits).

The only thing that you can control in life is yourself, so let people say what they like and don't react to it. I know perfectly well with my child I would not be making a scene with someone who was acting up, but using it as an object lesson.

Oh, and because no one here seems to object to the word "Bugger", here is another ad. It's from New Zealand originally, but we had a similar version over here in Oz.

Bugger ad

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quote:
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Originally posted by TheMoMan:
Elvermere_____________________Not too far from where we live now. A drunken Canoest fell into the river, being shallow and slow moving he could stand up, He then started shouting a string of profanities, in general (mostly words that rhimed with smuck), there was also a family backyard pinik going while this jerk was shouting his profanties. They asked him to be quiet because of the children present, this of course made him louder. At the same time a Deputy Sheriff happened to be talking to a driver on the approchment to the bridge over said river, he could clearly hear both the mother and the jerk. Michigan has an antiprofanities act written about one hundred years ago. The Deputy was forced to arrest the jerk and the case went to trial of first amendment rights, it cost the county a boat load of money to try this case and all of the appeals, however in all of this not once has this jerk ever apoligized to the family that he was shouting at. Who was wrong.

Couldn't they have just charged him with public drunkeness?
I think a good friend of mine said it best...if you bring children in an area where alcohol is served, then you can't complain about any subject matter that is discussed around you. But when you're in public, then you should pay attention to your surroundings and to who might be offended by profanity or other adult subjects. The guy in the canoe shouldn't have been wearing his ass as a hat, and should of apologized. Australia on the other hand is just doing a lil bit of tongue-in-cheek advertizing...knowing that it would create controversy, therefore exponetially increasing the visibility of the ad campaign without any additional monies needing to be paid out. Brilliant in my mind! Keep up the good work and I'd love to buy you a pint when the girlfriend and I can bloody well afford to head down under!!!

Big Joe

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