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Aditu
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They were talking about the new naturalization test in the news. We've had one in the States for years. It is much longer and has its own biases. What do UK members think about it?

Also from the questions, Where is a Scouse accent from? I knew the other two accents.

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Link?

Scouse is the accent from Liverpool.

Part of it is at The BBC

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Wow, google found me this list of sample questions for the US test.
What a wank.
Lots of questions about the flag, the war of independence, and other pseudo-patriotic nonsense, then you get to the reasonable questions about the system of government and so on. I wonder how many native-born Americans could pass it.

/me wanders off to find info about the UK test...

Found some.
Here's the questions not as wankily patriotic as the US list, but still some dodgy ones, for example...
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How interested are young people in politics? What do they see as the main issues today?
The test is available in English, and soon in Welsh or Gaelic.
I wonder how many non-citizen Welsh-speakers there are....

btw - the questions GMx links to are just someone at the Beeb having a bit of fun. To quote the website...
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"The following very unofficial questions are based on information in the official book


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So... Grummash is English & 39 years old.... how do you think Grummash did on the British Citizenship test?

Sort of ok, really...but I fail to see the point of most of the questions. The UK needs all the Pakistani doctors, Phillipino nurses, Polish postgraduates etc etc that it can get hold of... and we expect them to do stupid tests like this??? [shake head]

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I had a colleague recently pass the test - I saw some of the sample things then...I would have failed. :-/

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Thank god I was born into this country, a lot of those samples I didn't even know. And I've had U.S. History for a few years.. [Frown]

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I would easily pass the test. I am quite an anomaly though. I guarentee a good portion of this country's citizens would not pass the naturalization test. It's sad. Every citizen that has graduated high school should know that stuff.
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quote:
Originally posted by The White Tree:
I would easily pass the test. I am quite an anomaly though. I guarentee a good portion of this country's citizens would not pass the naturalization test. It's sad. Every citizen that has graduated high school should know that stuff.

Well I'm a freshmen who, up untill now, hasn't really had a decent excuse of a history class, and now I can't take any history/government untill Sophmore year.

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quote:
Originally posted by The White Tree:
I would easily pass the test. I am quite an anomaly though. I guarentee a good portion of this country's citizens would not pass the naturalization test. It's sad. Every citizen that has graduated high school should know that stuff.

You say that because you're fresh out of high school....

Then again, I hated studying history back when I was in high school. [Razz] Ask me about Perl instead. [Big Grin] Or on a good day, about the pumping lemma. [Wink]
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quote:
Originally posted by The White Tree:
I would easily pass the test. I am quite an anomaly though. I guarentee a good portion of this country's citizens would not pass the naturalization test. It's sad. Every citizen that has graduated high school should know that stuff.

Well, it's certainly the case that every citizen that grew up during the 70's and watched Saturday morning cartoons has the Preamble to the Constitution permanently burned into their heads. Sing it with me!

We the People,
In order to form a More Perfect Union,
Establish Justice, insure Domestic Tranquility,
(dee-dee-dee-dee!)
Provide for the Common Defense,
Promote the General Welfare and
Secure the Blessings of Liberty
To Ourselves and our Posterity,
Do Ordain and Establish this Constitution,
For the...United States of...America!


(Thank you, ABC and Schoolhouse Rock!)

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Oh my. Schoolhouse rock rocked. The grammar rock was the ultimate.

Whoever wrote those songs somehow managed to write a song about adverbs whose chorus was a list defining adverbs:
How, Where, or When, Condition or Reason

I swear that was the chorus and I remember all on the playground were running around singing it.

Were they mad geniuses or just crisped to an extreme?

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You're talking 'bout "Lolly lolly lolly get your adverbs here!" I LOVE that song!

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"Conjunction junction, what's your function..."

Unfortunately (or not) my family didn't have a TV during my early childhood, so I missed out on schoolhouse rock. But my 9th grade English teacher brought in a (the?) Conjunction Junction episode one day and now that damn chorus will be stuck in my head forever.

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Is there any good educational TV anymore? All I know is I can turn on Nickolodeon any hour of the day and be 99% sure they'll be showing SpongeBob or the Fairly fscking Oddparents. What happened to the days when a network had more than two shows in their rotation?!
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Edit: Ahem. Sorry for straying off topic. I'll admit that I probably would not fare very well on the US citizenship test. And that's after getting a 4 or 5 (out of 5) on the American History AP in high school and doing very well in the subsequent PiG (participation in government) class. We Americans like to complain about our government, but many of us don't really know how it's (supposed) to work. Sad, really.

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I loved School House Rock.

"I'm just a bill
I'm only a bill
And I'm sitting here on Capitol Hill"

I also liked the multiplication one on 8 because she skated. School house lyrics There are some I have heard.

The US test isn't easy. We have study guides for it like you get for the SAT/ACT here at the library

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I've got the 4-CD box set of all the Schoolhouse Rock episodes. One of these days I need to get the DVDs.

While the information in the history and government cartoons wouldn't guarantee that someone would pass the U.S. citizenship test, it might be of some help, and certainly a good way of ensuring that the information sticks with you (as we've just seen!).

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I have to admit that when I get a question about the Constitution here at the library. I always have to sing the preamble to remember it. [Big Grin]
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I guarentee I will know at least 75% of that information when I am an adult. I also haven't had most of that information since 11th grade. It is all general knowledge. I had to memorize all 9 supreme court justices in 12th grade, and I only remember 5 of them now... I'm just saying, it is very general knowledge. I just think everyone should participate in our democratic process, and they should at least know the basics.

By the way, I was fortunate enough to miss the school house rock stuff.

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quote:
Originally posted by The White Tree:
I guarentee I will know at least 75% of that information when I am an adult. I also haven't had most of that information since 11th grade.

From your post it seems like you are quite a bit past 11th grade. But, you also say "when I am an adult" which implies that you are a bit off from being an 'adult.' Which is it, these terms seem contradictory?

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Look at his profile - he's 18 - he studied this stuff /last/ year.

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By saying 'since 11th grade' as opposed to 'since last year' the connotation is that 11th grade was AT LEAST 2 or 3 years ago, probably more. Although it varies from person to person many people gauge adulthood by one turning 18. I think it has more to do with experience and responsibility, so therefore it could vary greatly based on the individual. I was an independent "adult" by the time I turned 17, and I know several people who have taken the role of spouse, provider, and/or parent by the time they were 2 years out of 11th grade.

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Actually it has been a over 2 years since I have been in 11th grade. I also need to clarify the "when I am an adult" part. What I meant was, when I am older and have children. I am sure my views on this issue will not change. People should know the basic parts of their government and country. We need to know where our country came from and also what our government is all about. What's to keep a dictator from taking control of an ignorant country? It isn't like I am saying we should know every little detail, but the basics should be common knowledge. Sometimes I think it is laziness, but not always. laziness seems to be sweeping our country. By the way, I'm not bashing the people who don't know this stuff, so please don't take it that way. I am just saying that people should make an honest effort to remember/know this information.
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quote:
Originally posted by The White Tree:
... since 11th grade. It is all general knowledge. I had to memorize ... in 12th grade, and I only remember 5 of them now...

Further explicating your reasoning, ChildeRoland: He used the past tense "had" when describing memorization in 12th grade, then goes on to say that he's forgotten some of what he memorized "now." From that I infer he's finished 11th grade and finished 12th grade and is some time beyond that.

As far as being an adult, during college I wouldn't have considered myself a child, but sometimes I just didn't feel like an adult. We have the terms "pre-teen" and "tweenager" to describe that period of time between single-digit age and full-fledged teenage. Why don't we have one for that period of time where we're in that nebulous state of "not a child, but not a full-fledged adult"?

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I am long past the age of majority, legal adulthood etc...

but I am not a "grown up" and maybe I never will be!!!

"What does it feel like to be 80?" "bout the same as 16 boy... but I git tired quicker..." a quote from an elderly neighbour many years ago now... but I shall remember it till I am gone to dust...

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Anyone else find it strange that a questions is "Can the Constitution be changed? " and the following questions is "What do we call a change to the Constitution? "?
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Well, I'd have to guess the answers would be either:
  • Can the Constitution be changed? - Yes
  • What do we call a change to the Constitution? - An amendment
or:
  • Can the Constitution be changed? - No
  • What do we call a change to the Constitution? - An impossibility
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