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Xanthine

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quote:
Originally posted by Rhonwyyn:
Why doesn't she just put the animals down and get herself to safety?

/me wonders why a person would risk his/her life for animals. For other people, for sure, but for animals? Craziness....

Welcome to the culture of life. This is a person who values something greater than herself. It may seem crazy, but it's the kind of craziness that produces heroics. It's the kind of craziness that you depend on, every day, without even realizing it unless you've had to dial 911 or ask for some other sort of emergency help.

How we treat things under our power reflects on how we treat each other and what kind of person we are. I would do the same as Aditu's friend if I were in that position.

TFD, I think you and I were too overwhelming for poor csk in the collective.

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If you want some really funny humor, Liz Curtis Higgs is featured on today's Focus on the Family. She's absolutely hysterical!! Find out when it's broadcast on your local station here: http://www.family.org/fmedia/radiolog/index.cfm

Hmmm... they also have a link to listen directly to the broadcast from the homepage. Right now it shows Thursday's broadcast, but give it a few hours and they'll put up Liz's link.

Focus on the Family is a distinctly Christian organization, but those of you who aren't Christians will appreciate this broadcast too.

EDIT: Now that I've heard almost all of the broadcast, this is definitely one I'm downloading and keeping. My co-workers must think I'm crazy for the laughs coming out of my cubicle (if they didn't think I was crazy before this! [Razz] ).

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quote:
Originally posted by Xanthine:
TFD, I think you and I were too overwhelming for poor csk in the collective.

We're all individuals!

I'm not!

Shut up!
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quote:
Originally posted by maia:
Just a bit touchy right now. We stand to lose our home and everything we own. I was hoping to come on here and find a bit of support, and find someone who seems to have no regard for our situation. Maybe I'm just not used to this kind of humor.

maia

I am glad to learn you made it safely out with your animals and computer gear. That the prospect of losing your house and other possessions is causing you stress is understandable. I do not envy your situation, and I offer no humor in your direction since it seems a really bad time for that.

We lost a good deal of our supplies in a flood when we were living in the Missouri Ozarks. (Gully washer is what the locals called it. It was a flash flood.) It was disheartening to walk miles downstream picking remnants of things from the trees and banks of the river. But we were fortunate that no people or animals were lost or injured and we were able to recoup and rebuild in a very short time. This last is offered as an encouragement. For even if your material losses are great where there is life, there is hope.

Let us know how you fare, and I pray you fare well.

gg

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maia, I hope things work out for you, Orpheus, and the pets. Will be thinking of you guys over the next few days. [Frown]
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quote:
Originally posted by Rhonwyyn:
Why doesn't she just put the animals down and get herself to safety?

/me wonders why a person would risk his/her life for animals. For other people, for sure, but for animals? Craziness....

Ummm... not wanting to start an out and out flame war here, but by that logic do you then think that all animals - wild and domesticated - in parts that may or may not be hit by the hurricane should be put down, just in case they might drown? And that any families that are on the outlying, might be hit areas, (if for whatever reason they can't take them) should put down their pets just in case they might end up drowning?

Life is life, human or otherwise. I think Aditu's friend is doing something very honourable and very dedicated: taking her life into her own hands in order to try and save some others. Takes a brave person.

/rant. Thanks for putting up with it.

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quote:
Originally posted by csk:
Nice trolling, God. How about all of those animal sacrifices in the Old Testament, eh? Or the scapegoat thing? Or where you told the Israelites to go and hamstring the horses of opposing armies? The list goes on.

/If I believed in a God, they wouldn't be into animal cruelty. Or cruelty of any kind, really.
//And under Christian theology, Christians don't have a permanent record.

Um...that book wasn't written by me or "inspired" by me. I can tell you right now, most of that stuff never even happened. I can have permanent records if I want. I'm not a Christian or any other organized religion.

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It is always reassuring when God makes one of his infrequent appearances here. I am relieved that we are still under his all seeing eye.

Rhonnie - it is hard to explain the emotional bond some of us have with animals in our care if you have no personal experience of it, but I understand perfectly why someone would do that. I think that the painter Rembrandt once said that in the event of a fire occurring in his house he would rather save his cat than his paintings, though of course that is more a reflection on the comparative value of art and life.

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If the animals are going to die as a result of the storm, put them to sleep humanely, then get the heck out of there.

But, the fact is, you don't know if they're going to die because of the storms. Animals have been around without human intervention for a long time, and I'm sure that many, many animals have seen (and survived) hurricanes without human-built shelters. So, why not just let them fend for themselves? They'll either die or they won't, if you kill them then they're guaranteed to die. I've seen your arguement, but I think it is immoral to kill anything unless you have a VALID reason to.

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I should have probably explained. She runs a shelter. She has 60 animals right now that she is looking to place. She couldn't move that many animals. And to be honest, she couldn't afford to put them down even if she wanted to. She sells on ebay. She sells tuppeware. She does all sorts of things to bring these poor things back to health, so they can be adopted. It never adds up to enough. Hence she doesn't have the transport to move them. And the kind of person who would run a shelter, wouldn't just leave them.

Maia, I hope that when you get back things will be okay. I will be thinking good thoughts. Glad you are away.

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Wow. What a dedicated woman. I love animals (I was a nature conselor at my local boy scout camp) and I love my cats too. One of them I actually got while at camp because some .... person left a whole litter of em by the side of the road. I don't mean to get all sappy, but I understand where this woman is coming from. She has put a lot of heart and soul into saving those animals.

Oh, and btw, Rita is weakening more and more as she approaches landfall.

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Praise your deity of choice for that, but it isn't over it's over and gone - so let's all keep the goodwill stoked and hope that those in its path are spared a repeat of Katrina's ferocity...

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I swear Americans must have a love affair with Russian Roulette:   [shake head]
    Building homes made out of "two-by-fours" on sandy beaches where tropical cyclones are part of nature.

As I've said before, the people on Okinawa build everything out of concrete because every year they get hit by at least one typhoon. LA may not get major earthquakes every year, but homes are built to withstand them.

Which makes more sense?
(a) Build a $50,000 house every 10 years because of the one hurricane that makes a direct hit every decade.
(b) Build a $55,000 house which lasts 40 years, but needs $10,000 of repairs when a major hurricane hits once each decade.

The Math:
* $50K House: $50K + ($50K/10yrs) x 40yrs = $250,000
* $55K House: $55K + ($10K/10yrs) x 40yrs = $95,000

By the way, if you live in the $55,000 house you don't (usually) have to evacuate, you won't be homeless, and you won't lose prized possessions like old photographs.

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* The $55K assumes the cost of construction to a higher building code adds 10%: $50K + $5K for stronger materials and better design.
* US tax law indicates that a residential property (like your home) should last 27.5 years based on allowed depreciation. However, it should be noted that homes may last 50 years or more, as seen in historical districts.

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I'd like to see you build a house for $50k these days. [Roll Eyes] Unless you're talking about a two room shack.
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I'm thinking if you build it yourself you'd be able to keep the costs lower than hiring a contractor to do it. A family at my church is building a styrofoam house. Their anticipated costs are less than $50k so far. Of course that's not typical construction material.

Buying a house in Lancaster City'll run ya somewhere between $50k-$90k. In the suburbs, you'll pay double for the same amount of square footage.

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$50-90k to buy a house?! /me collapses....

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quote:
Originally posted by dragonman97:
$50-90k to buy a house?! /me collapses....

Uh...dman...They're made of papier mache.

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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by dragonman97:
$50-90k to buy a house?! /me collapses....

Uh...dman...They're made of papier mache.
I'm not talking about *that* house...she inferred that was a common price for houses in general around there.

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quote:
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Originally posted by garlicguy:
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$50-90k to buy a house?! /me collapses....

Uh...dman...They're made of papier mache.
I'm not talking about *that* house...she inferred that was a common price for houses in general around there.
I know. It was those to which I was referring. [Big Grin]

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quote:
Originally posted by Rhonwyyn:
A family at my church is building a styrofoam house.

Let's hope we never get to find out how that stands up to a hurricane !

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Yeah, I'm not exactly sure of the physics behind the project. I think it'll have the usual wood framing, but the rest of everything will be styrofoam. It'll be extremely easy to heat and cool.

Personally, I'd like a straw-insulated house with adobe walls.

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quote:
Originally posted by garlicguy:
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Originally posted by dragonman97:
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$50-90k to buy a house?! /me collapses....

Uh...dman...They're made of papier mache.
I'm not talking about *that* house...she inferred that was a common price for houses in general around there.
I know. It was those to which I was referring. [Big Grin]
Hah. You wish, gg! The houses in the city are older and better built than the houses in the suburbs, but because they're in the city the asking price is so much lower. Friends of mine bought a five-bedroom house for under $100k. That amount of money won't even get you a rancher less than two miles away.

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quote:
The Math:
* $50K House: $50K + ($50K/10yrs) x 40yrs = $250,000
* $55K House: $55K + ($10K/10yrs) x 40yrs = $95,000

If it makes you feel better, add a zero to the numbers.   [shake head]

The Math:
* $500K House: $500K + ($500K/10yrs) x 40yrs = $2,500,000
* $550K House: $550K + ($100K/10yrs) x 40yrs =   $950,000

BTW: Land is a separate cost. The price of land does not increase by 10% for trying to make it hurricane resistant. The exception is if your "land" is sand on a beach; in which case, no amount of money that you spend will change the fact that it will wash away.

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quote:
Originally posted by Xanthine:
quote:
Originally posted by Rhonwyyn:
Why doesn't she just put the animals down and get herself to safety?

/me wonders why a person would risk his/her life for animals. For other people, for sure, but for animals? Craziness....

Welcome to the culture of life. This is a person who values something greater than herself. It may seem crazy, but it's the kind of craziness that produces heroics. It's the kind of craziness that you depend on, every day, without even realizing it unless you've had to dial 911 or ask for some other sort of emergency help.

How we treat things under our power reflects on how we treat each other and what kind of person we are. I would do the same as Aditu's friend if I were in that position.


Brava, Xan!
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Holy $hit I de-lurked Red!

/me takes a bow

As far as housing prices go, where I live it's outrageous. Not as bad as CA, but ugly. I saw small, 4-bedroom fixer-upper going for >$300K. The people who own houses around here are multi-millionaires. Everyone else either commutes in from another town, rents, owns a condo/apartment, or owns or rents a trailer. That said, a "cheap" condo is still more than $100K. "Trailer trash" in my area would be homeowners where you live Rhonnie. I saw a house that'd be worth $400K in Seattle go for a million here. It's ridiculous. The city council has actually designated certain areas as "affordable housing" and put a cap on how much a condo or townhouse can go for in those zones because people are leaving town and taking their money with them due to the housing problem.

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