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atayarani
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I pay $2.20 a gallon, which isn't too bad considering the rest of the country and even more so the world. However, given my 60 mile roundtrip commute each day and my aging car, that works out to be $80/week in gas.
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quote:
Originally posted by drunkennewfiemidget:
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Originally posted by Too Cool To Quit:
We're looking at ~$2.36 per gallon of 87 octane, and that is extremely high for this area. Diesel is damn near $3.30 a gallon though, and that's some bullshit.

No kidding, considering diesel is one of the by-products of manufacturing regular 87 octane gas.
As long as there weren't much diesel engines, petrol companies didn't bother. But did you noticed that the price of diesel went up when VolksWagen introduced the TDI engine and got a hit? Coincidence? I think not. (Comment valid for Canada/Nort America, I have no idea about relative prices in Europe - or anywhere else.)

Anyway, even at that price, my Smart is going to cost me less than CDN$30 to fill up (20 litre tank) for almost 400km (rated at 4.2 litres/100km, expected real consumption at 5-5.5 l/100km). [Big Grin] </proud future owner> [hearts]

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its about $2.30 here, which is f-ing rediculous. PS here is davis county, utah.
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quote:
Originally posted by Too Cool To Quit:
Diesel is damn near $3.30 a gallon though, and that's some bullshit.

LOL, to funny Too Cool.

I'd have to agree with you though. I was under the impression that diesel is the cheapest Gas to produce. Has that changed? What's the deal..

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Just one question,

Does Canada use US gallons (8x16floz) or Imperial (UK) gallons (8x20floz)

Just wondering if that accounted for any discrepancy in pricing (of course TAX is a major factor).

Here in the UK something like 75% (IIRC) of the price at the pump is the Treasury bleeding us white... (what was that thing about no taxation without representation again???) [Frown]

Oh yes Diesel is now about 0.96UKP per litre, you can work out the rest for yourselves...

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Before the Great Metric Conversion, we used the mighty Imperial gallon, not the wimpy US gallon. [Razz]
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Now you've really got me.

Surely by going metric you should have been cursed^h^h^h^h (ahem) 'blessed' by the gift of the mighty litre (which of course helps make prices look smaller 'cause it is 1/5th the size of a "proper" gallon)

Why on earth would metrification take you from UK gallons to US gallons? That truely makes no sense at all to me...
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quote:
Originally posted by Serenak:
Now you've really got me.

Surely by going metric you should have been cursed^h^h^h^h (ahem) 'blessed' by the gift of the mighty litre (which of course helps make prices look smaller 'cause it is 1/5th the size of a "proper" gallon)

Why on earth would metrification take you from UK gallons to US gallons? That truely makes no sense at all to me...
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Serenak: You're confusing me now. If I read Snaggy's post correctly, he's suggesting that Canada used the same "gallon" measure as England did. Then, Canada went to the metric system, and uses the litre. One litre is one litre is one litre. (See, I even spelled it correctly. [Wink] ) I fail to see how it has anything to do with any one nation's measures once it's Metric.

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quote:
Originally posted by Too Cool To Quit:
We're looking at ~$2.36 per gallon of 87 octane, and that is extremely high for this area. Diesel is damn near $3.30 a gallon though, and that's some bullshit.

Well that's a little screwed up normally diesel is a lot cheaper than regular 87 octane petrol

Here's a little tip I'll tell you folks. But you didn't hear it from me. If you have home heating oil delivered to your home and you drive a diesel burning automobile, just get a hand pump, and pump that home oil straight into your vehicle. It's exactly the same product, the only difference is one has road taxes and the other doesn't. Lots of farmers do this. The only exception is if your area marks that fuel with a dye, then I'd suggest not doing it. They have a special litmus like paper that they can test your exhaust to reveal if you're driving with marked gas.

Again, you didn't hear this from me, so if you get caught siphoning your own fuel, you didn't hear it from TiW... [Smile]

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I paid $2.45 per gallon for 87 octane today at a Meijers (Like
sprawl mart with groceries and less trailer park influence)
This was the cheapest I saw today. Most were anywhere between
$2.52 and $2.59 for the 87. btw todays $2.45 is the most I've ever
paid. 75 cents being the least somewhere around 1998. When I started
driving in '81 I was paying $1.27 for a gallon of leaded (but some
of you kids probably don't remember that [Razz] )

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I remember paying $.87 just about four or five years ago. [Razz]

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2 years ago or so I used to pay under a $1.00 for 87. I miss those days so much. I do not even want to drive anywhere anymore because it is so expensive.

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Dragonman,

you are correct (as usual) I reread Snaggy's post and in light of your comment realised it meant something different to what I initially read into it (my stupid caused by reading the post to quickly and replying before leaving work). [ohwell]

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quote:
Originally posted by Titanium Warrior:
Here's a little tip I'll tell you folks. But you didn't hear it from me. If you have home heating oil delivered to your home and you drive a diesel burning automobile, just get a hand pump, and pump that home oil straight into your vehicle. It's exactly the same product, the only difference is one has road taxes and the other doesn't. Lots of farmers do this. The only exception is if your area marks that fuel with a dye, then I'd suggest not doing it. They have a special litmus like paper that they can test your exhaust to reveal if you're driving with marked gas.

I was skeptical about this, so I called up the advice of the Car Talk guys. Sure enough, it's true, there's nothing really different between diesel fuel and home heating oil. But they pointed out that, by doing this, you're breaking the law and effectively stealing from everyone who DOES pay the fuel taxes...and, if you get caught, the fines for tax evasion could wipe out all the money you saved in this scheme and more.

So forget the heating oil, just pump regular diesel fuel into your diesel car. Also, don't do drugs, and stay in school.

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When I convert to gallons, I use US gallons (3.78L), not real gallons.
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Not sure if anyone's mentioned this yet, because I'm too lazy to read all the previous posts, but w.r.t. diesel, you can make your own biodiesel fuel. There's a pretty detailed article in the latest MAKE Magazine.

And while we're comparing prices, I paid $2.74/gallon for gas on Saturday.

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I think Americans have gotten too "comfortable" with low gasoline prices.

Have you noticed how people want lower gas prices, not conservation?

Would America make a "real" effort to use energy wisely if gas still cost $1.50 per gallon?

    No, I don't think I paid too much at $2.69/gal, but I may not completely agree with how the money gets split either.

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Yes, and when gas prices go up, what happens?

"Employee discount" prices on car to significantly reduce the price of things like SUVs. I think the $3 gallon is going to further curtail the spread of SUVs, or I really hope it will...

Great little cars like Stereo's up and coming Smart car will not take off here unless people aren't afraid of imminent death by an 'I own the road' SUV driver. Also, I understand there are major issues that require some form of retrofit here, to meet some different kind of regulation (I really know little about this - can anyone fill me in?). One station not far from me is now charging $2.99/gal...it's pretty close. I paid $2.65/gal. the night before last...that was a pain - and my car isn't exactly a slouch in the mileage dept.

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quote:
Originally posted by dragonman97:
Great little cars like Stereo's up and coming Smart car will not take off here unless people aren't afraid of imminent death by an 'I own the road' SUV driver.

We were whining about fuel prices yesterday at work, and a workmate who owns a FBL (Fscking Big Landrover) got the prize. He uses 25 litres per 100 km (it's rated at 18/100, but that's "open road" and he drives mostly in the city) which works out at about 9 miles to the US gallon. At $1.28 a litre, he's paying $0.32 cents a km for petrol.

On top of that, his FBL won't fit in the normal spaces in the carpark next to work so he's had to pay 40% above the normal amount to reserve one of the extra-large spaces.

Then there's the tyres, spare parts, etc, all of which are way more expensive than normal cars.

When asked why he bothers, he told some lame story about his once a year fishing trips in the outback, but there are lots of other more sensible cars that would be capable of those.

So, why does he do it?

Well, he's quite a small bloke, so perhaps this article provides an explanation.

[edit] Someone must have seriousy challenged this guys manhood.

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quote:
Originally posted by The Famous Druid:

So, why does he do it?

Well, he's quite a small bloke, so perhaps this article provides an explanation.

[edit] Someone must have seriousy challenged this guys manhood.

I figure if a guy's going to drive one of those massive H2 Hummers, he might as well slap a bumper sticker on the back that says, "I Have a Small Penis." [Wink]

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Cheapest around here is $2.40/gallon. Pathetic next to what everyone else in the world pays, but more than I like to pay. My budget is rather tight. If I have to choose between good, nourishing food and gas, I take the food.
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By "Land Rover" do you really mean a *real* Land Rover or are we talking generically here? Because my father had a full blown "once drove across the whole Indian subcontinent" safari Land Rover for many years when I was a lad, and although it was a tad bigger than your average family saloon car it certainly was not any bigger than say a Ford Galaxy or similar, and the only problem I can ever remember him having with it was a ferry company complaining about the height (it had a full safari, over bonnet, baggage rack and a lifting roof for bunkage).

To be honest I would think most "average" Aus "Utes"are as big or bigger than that was...

I have certainly seen several 4WD "offroad" SUV type vehicles round here lately that would make that Land Rover look positively scrawny (what exactly does SUV mean anyway? Sports Utility Vehicle?) even though that was a *real* expedition vehicle and most of the ones I've seen lately probably wouldn't manage anything more "offroad" than a simple farm driveway!

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quote:
Originally posted by Serenak:
By "Land Rover" do you really mean a *real* Land Rover or are we talking generically here? Because my father had a full blown "once drove across the whole Indian subcontinent" safari Land Rover for many years when I was a lad, and although it was a tad bigger than your average family saloon car it certainly was not any bigger than say a Ford Galaxy or similar, and the only problem I can ever remember him having with it was a ferry company complaining about the height (it had a full safari, over bonnet, baggage rack and a lifting roof for bunkage).

An actual Land Rover, but during a quick look at their web site, I couldn't spot any of the current models that look like it, so I'm not sure what model it is.

To be honest I would think most "average" Aus "Utes"are as big or bigger than that was...

This beastie's quite a bit bigger than most of the land rovers you see on the streets here in oz.

I have certainly seen several 4WD "offroad" SUV type vehicles round here lately that would make that Land Rover look positively scrawny (what exactly does SUV mean anyway? Sports Utility Vehicle?) even though that was a *real* expedition vehicle and most of the ones I've seen lately probably wouldn't manage anything more "offroad" than a simple farm driveway!
[Wink]

I had to laugh when I saw the porsche 4wd can you imagine anyone taking one of these on a wilderness trek? [crazy]

btw - I'm not having a go at all 4WDs, just the ones that are so big they draw other cars into their gravitational field. Clan MacDruid are the proud owners of a Subaru Outback. It looks like a normal family station wagon, has better fuel economy than many, and the 4WD means it handles very well on wet or icy roads.

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$2.99 for regular. [Eek!]

Well thats in Chicago for one US gallon. It might be cheaper in the suburbs.

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Well, I got this one a few months ago (when it wasn't that bad!) at a place near me...
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