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Icon 6 posted May 16, 2005 12:22      Profile for Snaggy   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
"STAR WARS is a wakeup call to Americans about the erosion of democratic freedoms under George W. Bush, filmmaker George Lucas said yesterday."

http://www.torontosun.com/Entertainment/Movies/2005/05/16/1041776.html

also an interesting piece in the Washington Post...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/blog/2005/05/16/BL2005051600615.html

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I like the SUNshine girl! [Razz]
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Icon 1 posted May 16, 2005 13:27      Profile for Aditu     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
The times they are a changing. It used to be all about Joseph Campbell's path of the hero. LOL
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Icon 1 posted May 16, 2005 15:56      Profile for ewomack   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Star Wars as social criticism? Wow. I guess he did have to tell us because it's really not obvious from watching the series. The plot has always struck me as the obviously good vs. the obviously evil. And that theme you could apply to anything! Look at God vs. the Devil... I could easily see someone with a Christian viewpoint appropriating the Star Wars story as an allegory of God vs the Devil. Bill O'Reilly could claim that it's actually about the "triumph over liberalism".

Of course I haven't seen Episode III yet (believe it or not, I was not at the Cannes premiere), so maybe I'm doing that ol' puttin' the cart before the horse thing that everyone used to talk about.

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Icon 1 posted May 16, 2005 17:34      Profile for jordanv     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
I'm rather offended at the immediate correlation of God with 'good' by non-christians.
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Icon 1 posted May 16, 2005 17:40      Profile for Rhonwyyn   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
God is good in Hinduism too, Jordanv. Of course, he's also bad, but then that's all part of the dualism I found hard to wrap my head around in my Western Mythology class. God at rest and God in action, then the avatars and their shaktis... all sorts of good and bad all swirled around each other.

Come to think of it, in most religions, not just Christianity, wherever God exists he is associated with good.

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i'm saying just because you think he is good, doesn't mean everyone sees it that way.
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Rhonwyyn

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.... you said you're offended when non-Christians equate God with good. Did you maybe mean that you're offended when Christians equate God with good?

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Icon 1 posted May 16, 2005 18:39      Profile for Sxeptomaniac   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by jordanv:
I'm rather offended at the immediate correlation of God with 'good' by non-christians.

I must have missed where this was mentioned. I saw some mention of how many people equate god with good, but not a claim that god is good.

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quote:
The plot has always struck me as the obviously good vs. the obviously evil. And that theme you could apply to anything! Look at God vs. the Devil... I could easily see someone with a Christian viewpoint appropriating the Star Wars story as an allegory of God vs the Devil.
That's the first reference I came across, Sxept. What Jordanv missed here is that ewomack made a statement about the plot as two opposites in contradiction. As an example, he used God vs. the Devil and put it in the Christian context (where anyone who has ever read the Bible can recognize that God and the Devil are diametricly opposed). Jordanv, ewomack didn't make the statement that God is good; you did. Are you offended by yourself? [Wink]

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Icon 1 posted May 16, 2005 19:22      Profile for The Famous Druid     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Could explain some of GWBs tortured syntax, he's channeling Yoda.

<GWB-voice>
When president of USA you are, talk like me you will.
</GWB-voice>

<Vader-voice>
President Hussein, I find your lack of WMD's disturbing
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A Star Wars discussion this serious calls for a dose of Star Wars Pants.

Let the silliness commence! [crazy]

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Icon 1 posted May 16, 2005 21:42      Profile for csk     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
It's a crying shame that site didn't get to Ep II

"I don't like pants. They are coarse and rough and irritating, and they get everywhere. Not like here. Here everything's soft... and smooth"

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Icon 1 posted May 16, 2005 22:45      Profile for Xanthine     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Note: I have only seen AotC once, so I'm pulling/revising these from the IMDB quote page.

I am going to hell...

"Your pants are very impressive. You must be proud."

"DO you like your pants?"
"I look forward to seeing them in action."

"Mmm. Lost pants, Master Obi-Wan has. How embarrassing. How embarrassing."

"When I'm around you, my pants are no longer my own."

"Blast. This is why I hate pants."

"Be mindful of your pants Anakin. They'll betray you."

"Geonosians don't trust pants."
"Well, who can blame them?"

"Around the pants a perimeter create."

"Depends on what Dex?
"On how well your manners are, and how big your pants are."

[Big Grin]

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Oh, and how could we forget this one.

I feel dizzy. I can't breathe. I'm haunted by the pants you should never have given me. My heart is beating, hoping those pants will not become a scar.

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Lucas has gotten increasingly moonbattish over the years. It was apparent in Episode I as well.

It's no reason not to go see his movie though...but bear in mind that, if you're looking for different ideological fare, Hitchhiker's has been described as having a "libertarian perspective."

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Icon 1 posted May 17, 2005 23:24      Profile for Xanthine     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Episode I:

"Viceroy, I don't want to see this stunted slime in my pants again."

"What? You think you're some kind of Jedi, waving your pants around like that?"

"I saw your laser pants. Only Jedi carry that kind of weapon."

"I want to see your pants the moment the race is over."
"Patience my blue friend."

"This is my apprentice, Darth Maul. He will find your lost pants."

It's an improvement, doncha think?

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I sense a disturbance in the pants...
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Icon 1 posted May 18, 2005 05:35      Profile for magefile     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Xanthine:
Episode I:
"I want to see your pants the moment the race is over."
"Patience my blue friend."

That's going in my fortune file. Quite reminiscint of the Bash.org rendition of Harry Potter ...

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quote:
Originally posted by Sxeptomaniac:
quote:
Originally posted by jordanv:
I'm rather offended at the immediate correlation of God with 'good' by non-christians.

I must have missed where this was mentioned. I saw some mention of how many people equate god with good, but not a claim that god is good.
As a Lokean, I can definitely concur...equating the god Loki with "good" can lead to some disastrous consequences. [Wink]

On the following thread, I've got to say that my all-time favorite pants quote is:

"Will somebody get this walking carpet out of my pants?"

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