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"Members say church ousts Kerry supporters"

[shake head] Really sad news coming from my neck of the woods. The only redeeming quality is that 40 people had the sense to leave and find a better church.

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Wow! But then I suppose it's inevitable that something like this had to happen, given the way the religious right have become so politically powerful. Given the partisan nature of US politics, and the level of hatred each side has for the other, it is then only a small step to start thinking that those liberals are doing Satan's work, etc. etc.

But nevertheless a sad story.

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Back in the 50s here in oz, the Catholic church basically declared war on the Labor Party, edicts issued from the pulpit instructing Catholics how to vote, etc. It ended up severely damaging both the church and the party.

It's sad to see that cold-war style nonsense rearing its ugly head again.

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Are the parties in Oz comparable to UK parties? I'm taking a comparative polisci course now, but we're not covering Down Under (big surprise, eh?).

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quote:
Originally posted by magefile:
Are the parties in Oz comparable to UK parties? I'm taking a comparative polisci course now, but we're not covering Down Under (big surprise, eh?).

More or less,

Aussie -> UK
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Australian Labor Party == Labour Party
Liberal Party == Conservative Party (much to the confusion of many 'merkins)
Australian Democrats roughly corresponds to the Lib Dems in the UK

Then there's the National Party (formerly known as the country party) which is the "We believe in small government, low taxes, and lots of spending on country roads/schools/hospitals and subsidies to farmers, oh, and while your at it, kill all the gays" party, which has no direct equivalent in the UK.

The big difference is that our voting system is far more sensible than the UK/US first-past-the-post system. First-past-the-post can lead to some perverse results when there's more than 2 candidates, for example, Scotlands only Tory MP got elected with only 36.2% of the vote. We list candidates in order of preference, so you can vote for a minor party to make a point, and give your second preference to the least-worst of the major parties. As a consequence, minor parties here tend to do a bit better than they do in the US/UK.

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quote:
Originally posted by The Famous Druid:
Back in the 50s here in oz, the Catholic church basically declared war on the Labor Party, edicts issued from the pulpit instructing Catholics how to vote, etc. It ended up severely damaging both the church and the party.

It's sad to see that cold-war style nonsense rearing its ugly head again.

Sounds like the Asbestos/Amiante Quebec strike of 1949... which led to the silent revolution and the current sepratist movement...
http://www2.marianopolis.edu/quebechistory/docs/asbestos/6Bi.htm

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I've been seeing stuff about it in the paper and on the TV news. I don't get why this turned into national news.

The pastor went on a power trip, and his church will suffer for it. It's a classic "power corrupts" situation. It's local news, maybe, but I don't know why I need to know about it in California.

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It seems the minister in question will be the one looking for a new church

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quote:
Originally posted by Sxeptomaniac:
I've been seeing stuff about it in the paper and on the TV news. I don't get why this turned into national news.

The pastor went on a power trip, and his church will suffer for it. It's a classic "power corrupts" situation. It's local news, maybe, but I don't know why I need to know about it in California.

There's a lot of shit that makes the national news taht really shouldn't be there. Terri Schiavo, the run-away bride, Britney Spears, etc.

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The National Party sounds quite a bit like the National Front in the UK (and elsewhere).
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quote:
Originally posted by Xanthine:
quote:
Originally posted by Sxeptomaniac:
I've been seeing stuff about it in the paper and on the TV news. I don't get why this turned into national news.

The pastor went on a power trip, and his church will suffer for it. It's a classic "power corrupts" situation. It's local news, maybe, but I don't know why I need to know about it in California.

There's a lot of shit that makes the national news taht really shouldn't be there. Terri Schiavo, the run-away bride, Britney Spears, etc.
Amen.

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quote:
Originally posted by magefile:
The National Party sounds quite a bit like the National Front in the UK (and elsewhere).

Nah, the National Party aren't nazis, they're probably a lot more like a Republican Party branch in rural Kansas. Lots of talk about small government and low taxes, lots of screaming whenever anyone looks like reducing government subsidies to farmers.

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This is yet another case of someone (or some few) in a church abusing his powers and/or not knowing when lines should not be crossed.

Reb or Blue, one doesn't have to support all of the ideals of their party to be a part of it. I am the member of an motorists organization that would be considered "Libertarian" by most yet I, in on way, support their every platform.

When I see things like this happening I am saddened by how ignorant people can be.

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quote:
Originally posted by The Famous Druid:
quote:
Originally posted by magefile:
The National Party sounds quite a bit like the National Front in the UK (and elsewhere).

Nah, the National Party aren't nazis, they're probably a lot more like a Republican Party branch in rural Kansas. Lots of talk about small government and low taxes, lots of screaming whenever anyone looks like reducing government subsidies to farmers.
i wouldnt exactly agree with that, kansas republicans care more about socially conservative issues than small government. in fact surprisingly most people like big government and its programs (why bush's Social Security dismantlement plan has gotten little support from the American people) and if the democrats could learn to campaign in these areas they would probably clean the GOP's clock.

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Being a Catholic, I know there was a lot of talk about excommunicating Kerry (hes Catholic) as he supports abortion which is a big thing the Church is against. I know there were some rites in the church refused to Kerry because of this. Dont know though if it is still being carried through.

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quote:
Originally posted by Luke Skywalker:
Being a Catholic, I know there was a lot of talk about excommunicating Kerry (hes Catholic) as he supports abortion which is a big thing the Church is against. I know there were some rites in the church refused to Kerry because of this. Dont know though if it is still being carried through.

So, let me get this straight. Killing unborn babies is bad, but killing babies (among others) in far away lands is the lord's work?

Now I see why the catholic church is doing so well [Roll Eyes]

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I don't think there are any Protestant churches with a provision for excommunication, otherwise you might have seen something like that about Bush.

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quote:
Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's
    -- Mark 12:13-17

In other words, "I'm not here for political purposes." Why should someone be so surprised that the congregation would oppose a preacher demanding everyone follow his political views?
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Originally posted by Cap'n Vic:
So, let me get this straight. Killing unborn babies is bad, but killing babies (among others) in far away lands is the lord's work?

Are you trying to use some kind of "straw man" tactic or are you trolling?

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Shuddup.

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I've been a lot happier since I stopped reading / watching the mainstream news. But I really do miss basing reality on exceptions and fearmongering.

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quote:
Originally posted by ASM65816:
Are you trying to use some kind of "straw man" tactic or are you trolling?

Pot .... kettle ......

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quote:
Originally posted by Cap'n Vic:
quote:
Originally posted by Luke Skywalker:
Being a Catholic, I know there was a lot of talk about excommunicating Kerry (hes Catholic) as he supports abortion which is a big thing the Church is against. I know there were some rites in the church refused to Kerry because of this. Dont know though if it is still being carried through.

So, let me get this straight. Killing unborn babies is bad, but killing babies (among others) in far away lands is the lord's work?

Now I see why the catholic church is doing so well [Roll Eyes]

Amen, sir. Amen.
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quote:
Originally posted by The Famous Druid:
quote:
Originally posted by ASM65816:
Are you trying to use some kind of "straw man" tactic or are you trolling?

Pot .... kettle ......
TFD, so how do you know I'm trolling? Or, do you believe that quoting a bible verse and saying that being a Christian does not demand specific political affiliation is some kind of trick or deception? Or, do you think that there is only one true Christian denomination?

How would you categorize Cap'n Vic's "killing babies" remarks? Jovial? Friendly? Intellectually Profound?

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For the love of Carlton the Doorman - give it up, already! Have you no shame, Sir?

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quote:
Originally posted by ASM65816:
TFD, so how do you know I'm trolling?

Um, that is all you do here.

We have grown tired of you. Move along.

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