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Swiss Mercenary

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Icon 12 posted January 06, 2005 05:13      Profile for Swiss Mercenary     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
100 Most Often Mispronounced Words and Phrases in English
All right, it is missing some i.e your/you're.

So please read before posting [Wink] [Razz] [Big Grin]

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hehe.. I like that list.

My mother is so bad for calling Alzheimer's Old Timer's.

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Just starting to look down the list, and I spotted Arctic and Antarctic. Now I pronounce both of those as it says not to (Artic and Antartic), but spell them both correctly when I write about them (which I do quite a lot of). This is due to my accent I guess - it just feels wrong trying to force that extra "c" into the word to me. Come to think of it, I don't say the t following the c in either or those words correctly either - more an-tar-ic and an-tar-ica, but there's a strange back of the throat sound where the "ct" should go which I can't put into letters. Luckily everyone I talk to about, say, Arctic ice cores, understands now what I mean, but it wasn't always like that. When I go somewhere new and talk about something like this, having an accent can sometimes give the impression that you're, well, dumber than everyone else in the room, that you don't know what the word is. Has anyone else had trouble with an accent making them appear stupid?
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quote:
Originally posted by Stibbons:
When I go somewhere new and talk about something like this, having an accent can sometimes give the impression that you're, well, dumber than everyone else in the room, that you don't know what the word is. Has anyone else had trouble with an accent making them appear stupid?

Just be glad that you are not a Redneck Brain Surgeon [Wink]

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Swiss: So grammar is important, but spelling is not?

(See topic...)

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Sorry, never was a good speller, I apologise.

Grammar, grammar, grammar....

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I called my maternal grandmother "Grammer".
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Things like this always make me think that there is some uppity little pompous fool somewhere that doesn't understand that language is a fluid thing.

He/she is not the king of language and cannot dictate to me that I should use 'duct tape' not 'duck tape' where both are acceptable, but have slightly varying meanings. Added to this the fact that a number of the 'mistakes' pointed out are down to regional accents suggests that he believes some accents to be superior to others.

Bunch of arse I say. Mispronunciation is not a problem.

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I combed through the list. I spent about half of it thinking "Kiss my American ass."

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I love the book Eats Shoots and Leaves by Truss. Didn't really I was as anal as I apparently am about it all. LOL
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quote:
Originally posted by Xanthine:
I combed through the list. I spent about half of it thinking "Kiss my American ass."

Must .... suppress .... WWCVD .... impulse ......

quote:
Originally posted by littlefish:
He/she is not the king of language and cannot dictate to me that I should use 'duct tape' not 'duck tape'

As popularised by Spungo ?

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"Duck tape" is a trademarked name. Unless you're talking about the roll of silver tape that originally had a yellow ducky on the packaging, they might get annoyed with you about making their term generic - a la "Kleenex" or "Velcro." Ergo, that's not a grammatical problem as it is one between you and these people.

*quack* [Smile]

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Dragon: you forgot "Band Aid" which is a brand name owned by Johnson & Johnson. They're not called Band Aids, they're called Adhesive Strips or Disposable Bandages. Kleenex is a brand name, however Facial Tissue is not.

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Littlefish: While some of them are pretty common things (I have never in my life heard forte pronounced the "correct" way) or just plain nitpicky (cloths pronounced like close), many of those are people making fools out of themselves by giving phrases entirely new meanings ("For all intensive purposes") or butchering words ("interpretate" sounds like something Bush would get mocked for saying). True, some of the listed words are products of accents or dialect, or just so widespread (the i in long-lived pronounced as in life is another one I've never heard) as to be considered accepted if not correct. That said, the majority of these terms are exactly what they claim to be. Just because an alarming number of people can't tell the difference between there and their doesn't mean that language has evolved to the point that the two are interchangable. Would you defend a scientist referring to lipids and quarks as livids and corks?

Xanthine: Calm down. The domain name, writing style, spelling and pretty much everything else leads me to believe that the author of this was an American and made reference to American language primarily because he and most of his readers were Americans. The one thing I did raise an eyebrow at as far as anti-American statements go was the listing for herb.

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This is a US oddity generated by the melting pot (mixed dialects). Initial [h] is always pronounced outside America and should be in all dialects of English.
Even this strikes me as an pretentious linguist forgetting the definition of dialect rather than a holier-than-thou attempt at making Americans look like idiots.

While on the subject, one of my English teachers a few years back played us a recording of a college lecture on Shakespeare in which the professor talked about the English accent. If I recall correctly, the accent was created by the order of King James I because he resented the fact that French, Spanish, Italian, etc. were all so much more pleasing to the ear than English. For some reason this didn't spread to the American colonies (except for the big ports like Boston and Norfolk). Has anyone heard anything similar or in support of this? While I think it quite possible, it surprises me that this isn't more common knowledge in America if it is true.

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Atleast y'all don't have an accent like mine.

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quote:
Originally posted by Too Cool To Quit:
Atleast y'all don't have an accent like mine.

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I've just sent an e-mail to my fellow proofers to check out this thread and the originating link. [Smile]

*Envisions swarms of proofreaders descending on GeekCulture.*

Nah, most likely won't happen. You needn't run for cover yet. [Wink]

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Oh know, tahts whut we knead. A hole bunch off pruf wreaders cumming hear. [Razz]

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I just hope they run into the "strine" thread. That should keep them going for a while [Wink]

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Would you defend a scientist referring to lipids and quarks as livids and corks?
Actually scientific words tend to be differently pronounced more often in my experience. I think it is because they are used infrequently and often encountered through the written word rather than the spoken. For example, I have heard 'quarks' pronounced two different ways. I was simply trying to point out that anyone who makes such a list is arrogant, misguided and fighting the tide against the way language evolves. Twenty years ago, "you're all gay" meant that everyone was happy. Nowadays "your all gay" means "I'm a muppet". Language changes, and I pity the fool that tries to stop it.
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Well, the real question is why can't people teach their children how to speak.

/And tune in next week, for "Why can't a woman be more like a man?"

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quote:
Originally posted by Aves Corax:
Littlefish: While some of them are pretty common things (I have never in my life heard forte pronounced the "correct" way) or just plain nitpicky (cloths pronounced like close), many of those are people making fools out of themselves by giving phrases entirely new meanings ("For all intensive purposes") or butchering words ("interpretate" sounds like something Bush would get mocked for saying).

My current pet peeve is erroneous back-formations.

For example, the horrendous non-word "administrate" has become common in recent years, clearly as a back-formation of "administration". Listen carefully folks, the base verb is 'administer'.

And if I hear one more person use 'author' as a verb, I'll scream.

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Hey, was that "grammer" in the thread title deliberate?

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quote:
Originally posted by The Famous Druid:
And if I hear one more person use 'author' as a verb, I'll scream.

If we could get that as a Quick-Time file, I'd almost be willing to author something in order to accomplish this soon-to-be-Famous-Druidic feat. [evil]

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quote:
Originally posted by Cap'n Vic:
Squeal like a pig, boy.

You know, I really enjoy good old Blue Grass banjo pickin'. Almost nobody plays the banjo here in Montana. I guess for that you really do have to go someplace like North or South Carolina, maybe Georgia. Someplace like that. [Confused]

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