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csk

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Icon 1 posted September 30, 2004 15:07      Profile for csk     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
There's been some good points in this argument so far. As I'm sure I've posted before, my objection to this whole war in Iraq debacle is the blatant lying and somersaults about why we (I'll use "we" since Australia's in there as well, thanks to our US-butt-kissing PM) went in there in the first place. The whole WMD thing is a total farce, and now we're supposed to believe that the intention was always to liberate the Iraqi people rather than this whole thing being either a monumental stuff-up or engineered for political/financial gain. I always thought the "We have always been at war with Eurasia" was a bit of a stretch in 1984, but here it is, bright as day, in practice.

The other point is, take note of what those with military background/connections are saying. Now I'm not in that category, but those who are are saying that this war is unnecessary and a waste of human lives on both sides. I'm betting those same people wouldn't be saying the same thing about Afghanistan, which speaks volumes to me.

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quote:
Originally posted by csk:
I'm betting those same people wouldn't be saying the same thing about Afghanistan, which speaks volumes to me.

The 'coalition of the willing' experience in Iraq is looking chillingly like the Soviet experience in Afghanistan.

A large military presence supporting a puppet government whos authority barely extends beyond the capital (and not even all of the capital).

An occupying force who huddle in their compounds, and dare not leave their bases except in armoured convoys with air support.

Daily air-raids against 'insurgent bases', which inevitably result in many civilian deaths and serve only to further alienate the locals. (to quote a former Soviet commander - every time you kill one local, his brothers, his cousins, his uncles all become your sworn enemy)

No discernable plan on the part of the occupiers, other than a grim determination to 'stay the distance', with no idea of how far that distance is.

Come to think of it, the coalition experience in Afghanistan looks pretty much like that too.

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Cap'n Vic

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Coalition of the willing should read:

Coalition of the afraid to get their ass whipped if you don't get onboard with this oil war.

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quote:
Originally posted by Cap'n Vic:
I've got this horrible feeling in the pit of my stomache that tells me Shrub in gonna win the election (either straight up or fraudulently like 2000).

My intuition tells me that the voting public may need to experience another four years of Bush & Co., and the consequences thereof, before they no longer allow themselves to be passively manipulated by a political system gone awry. For all the wrong directions he's taken on foreign and domestic issues, I don't fault Bush as much as I do the political system which allows candidates like him to get to the White House. That system has created such a vast dichotomy now between "having the traits it takes to be a good President" and "having the traits it takes to be elected President" that the people who would actually be effective at leading this country and managing its resources (both people and natural) would never even attempt to run. So we end up with the likes of candidates which leave voters wondering "Are there any other choices?".

Case in point about "the system": Does Arnold Schwarzenegger represent the best this enormous state could come up with to lead it? If so, I fear for our future.

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Cap'n Vic

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quote:
Originally posted by Tech Angel:
Case in point about "the system": Does Arnold Schwarzenegger represent the best this enormous state could come up with to lead it? If so, I fear for our future.

Whatchu talkin' 'bout?

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Icon 1 posted October 03, 2004 22:33      Profile for Danapoppa     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Tech Angel:
Case in point about "the system": Does Arnold Schwarzenegger represent the best this enormous state could come up with to lead it? If so, I fear for our future.

Just wait till he gets elected president. [Razz]

You know it's gonna happen. Be afraid. Be very afraid.

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quote:
Originally posted by Danapoppa:
quote:
Originally posted by Tech Angel:
Case in point about "the system": Does Arnold Schwarzenegger represent the best this enormous state could come up with to lead it? If so, I fear for our future.

Just wait till he gets elected president. [Razz]

You know it's gonna happen. Be afraid. Be very afraid.

Did someone say, Demolition Man?

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quote:
Originally posted by Danapoppa:
quote:
Originally posted by Tech Angel:
Case in point about "the system": Does Arnold Schwarzenegger represent the best this enormous state could come up with to lead it? If so, I fear for our future.

Just wait till he gets elected president. [Razz]

You know it's gonna happen. Be afraid. Be very afraid.

They'd have to amend the constitution first.

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quote:
Originally posted by Xanthine:
quote:
Originally posted by Danapoppa:
quote:
Originally posted by Tech Angel:
Case in point about "the system": Does Arnold Schwarzenegger represent the best this enormous state could come up with to lead it? If so, I fear for our future.

Just wait till he gets elected president. [Razz]

You know it's gonna happen. Be afraid. Be very afraid.

They'd have to amend the constitution first.
So?
They've torn up most of it already .....

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Icon 1 posted October 05, 2004 09:13      Profile for ooby     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
The constitution is a forgery.

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