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Icon 2 posted July 07, 2004 14:53      Profile for Flashfire   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
iPod as Security Risk?

I think this is getting towards the height of paranoia...

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No, it's more BS from the biased anti-Apple press. You could use any portable drive to put something on a computer, but they mention the iPod because they've never wanted to see Apple succeed, so they'll do anything to put them down. Another example is a recent NY Times article that was critical of the iTunes store, saying that AAC's compression sounded bad. They mentioned some of the other stores, saying their compression codecs weren't very good either, but they put Apple and the iTunes store in the opening paragraph and the headline.
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so in addition to trying to undermine George W. Bush, the liberal media has it out for Apple too?

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I've got 256M of flash on a string round my neck, a laptop computer that I connect to the company lan during the day and carry home at night, a CD burner and floppy drive on my desktop, and ftp/telnet access into the company network, and they run Windoze on their servers.

But an iPod would be a security risk.

Yeah, right.

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quote:
Originally posted by The Famous Druid:
I've got 256M of flash on a string round my neck, a laptop computer that I connect to the company lan during the day and carry home at night, a CD burner and floppy drive on my desktop, and ftp/telnet access into the company network, and they run Windoze on their servers.

But an iPod would be a security risk.

Yeah, right.

Heh, yeah, very similiar to what I was thinking.

What GMx said is so sadly true, and pointing the finger at Apple is simply ridiculous. Honestly I'd find it more convenient and discreet to use a usb flash drive, one of which I, like TFD, carry regularly if I were so inclined to make off with data. (Not to mention the fact that my iPod is formatted for Mac anyway and all the PCs at work are running windows)

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What irks me about that, is any company that is worth stealing from will also have those systems locked down enough to not allow a standard user to install drivers for a portable hard drive.

I also have to say that the big mp3 player strung to the computer would be a lot more conspicuous than a flash drive or floppy. Or even e-mail.

They point the finger at Apple when it comes to the iPod and iTunes since at the moment they are top of the heap. If the Nomad was number one, they would attack it by name.

I also have the flash drive, remote access, a laptop and the password for the routers and web server. If I wanted what they had, I could get it.


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quote:
Originally posted by CommanderShroom:
What irks me about that, is any company that is worth stealing from will also have those systems locked down enough to not allow a standard user to install drivers for a portable hard drive.

I also have to say that the big mp3 player strung to the computer would be a lot more conspicuous than a flash drive or floppy. Or even e-mail.

They point the finger at Apple when it comes to the iPod and iTunes since at the moment they are top of the heap. If the Nomad was number one, they would attack it by name.

I also have the flash drive, remote access, a laptop and the password for the routers and web server. If I wanted what they had, I could get it.


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Haven't you heard of the stories of people stealing Office X from compusa using their ipods?
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Actually I haven't. It makes sense that they could pull info from a Mac. This is pulling direct from a hard drive, right?

I was thinking more from the Windows side of it. Considering a larger group of companies use that rather than OSX.

I know that there are Macs on business LAN's though I don't think they have reached major player status.

Thanks for the info.

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CmdrShroom - yeah, the drivers are all there, and in OS X, applications are supposed to be self-contained in a special kind of folder that bears the extension ".app".* When such a folder is double-clicked, the default action is to execute a specific binary inside (the context menu lets you browse the folder, though). As such, you can swipe a proper Mac OS X application, like M$ Office v.X, by just dragging the "Office v.X.app" 'file/application/package/folder' onto your iPod. No special extensions, shared libraries, DLLs, resources, it's all there.

Done.

One of those times when a case of good engineering by Apple might almost be a bad thing [Razz] .

(Also, my apologies if you were familiar with some of this stuff - I fear I may have wrote with the wrong audience in mind, after dealing with another thread much of the day.)

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quote:
Originally posted by SpikeSpiegel:
so in addition to trying to undermine George W. Bush, the liberal media has it out for Apple too?

Yeah, right, the "liberal" media. Actually it's more the business reporters for the media.
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QUOTE----- Also, my apologies if you were familiar with some of this stuff - I fear I may have wrote with the wrong audience in mind, after dealing with another thread much of the day. -----Quote

That is fine. I only understand OS9 and OSX well enough to be dangerous. So lessons into the inner workings are very helpful.

I do have a question along the same lines. Can this be prevented on a Mac system? I mean, can you keep general funtionality and stop the ability to pull things like that from a system?

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I don't know enough about X myself to speculate fully. My general knowledge of operating systems with networking and privileges tells me there must be an option to disallow the mounting of external volumes. Furthermore, such a method would be how you'd probably stop someone from mounting a key/drive on Windows. XP & 2000 have USB Mass Storage drivers built in, so you really wouldn't be able to stop it that way, I think. I haven't done anything special with privileges, and none of my users are power users or administrators, and they can all use USB keys. In fact, I want them to be able to, and I encourage it, as opposed to floppy disks...argh. I'm tired of recovering data off floppy disks.

I'm also tired in general, so I think now is time for a dragon sleep cycle [Smile] .

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quote:
Originally posted by CommanderShroom:
What irks me about that, is any company that is worth stealing from will also have those systems locked down enough to not allow a standard user to install drivers for a portable hard drive.

[ohwell] Unfortunately, the situation is they "should" ... but something always goes wrong.

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Oops, forgot something. [evil]

A guy I heard about, he would use HyperTerminal and a Null-Modem cable (RS-232, etc) to off-load system data.

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quote:
Originally posted by ASM65816:
A guy I heard about, he would use HyperTerminal and a Null-Modem cable (RS-232, etc) to off-load system data.

Huh? How does that work? He'd have to bring in a device with a serial port on it - what was he using? (I'd have thought that carrying a computer into work was pretty bleedin' obvious.)

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Perhaps an old laptop. I would assume that ASM's point is that they thought they'd locked their systems tight enough that people couldn't offload data.

Crossover cable, anyone? Or the wicked cool straight-through -> X-over adapter that my boss made for me [Big Grin] . [Cut one patch cable, and then punch it down to a jack according to the reverse scheme (i.e. we use T568B, so we punch down to T568A on the jack)]

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quote:
Originally posted by CommanderShroom:
What irks me about that, is any company that is worth stealing from will also have those systems locked down

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.... [Big Grin] [crazy] [shake head]
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has anyone used gotomypc? we use it in lieu of vpn now, as it very effectively bypasses our firewalls. imagine what they must think of that...
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News Item:
Los Alamos lab again missing computer disks with classified data
Two disks are missing from the Weapons Physics division inside the lab
http://www.computerworld.com/securitytopics/security/story/0,10801,94586,00.html

[ohwell] yup, anyone with "information worth stealing" .....

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quote:
Originally posted by ASM65816:
News Item:
Los Alamos lab again missing computer disks with classified data
Two disks are missing from the Weapons Physics division inside the lab
http://www.computerworld.com/securitytopics/security/story/0,10801,94586,00.html

[ohwell] yup, anyone with "information worth stealing" .....

I guess I have to retract my ealier statement officially. I work for a little hole in the wall school district and we are constantly doing scans for holes inside and outside our network. edit: This also includes the social engineering angle.I am often surprised at the lack of care people put into something as neccesary as security.

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quote:
Originally posted by ASM65816:
News Item:
Los Alamos lab again missing computer disks with classified data
Two disks are missing from the Weapons Physics division inside the lab
http://www.computerworld.com/securitytopics/security/story/0,10801,94586,00.html

[ohwell] yup, anyone with "information worth stealing" .....

Yup, it amazes me how slack some places are with stuff that really needs to be locked down tight.

btw - notice that the easy way to steal data (I'm betting it's not stolen, just misplaced, it'll probably turn up in some managers desk drawer) is to simply pick up the CD and walk out the door, no iPod required.

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Can't be bothered finding te link- it's prolly on fark somewhere, but the MOD have said it's rubbish. They don't ban ipods, like they don't ban floppies.
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I have a friend who works for CSOS, carries around a laptop around with remote access to GCHQ servers, and an iPod is a security risk? Seems to me that someone in media is trying to find themselves a story.

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This reminds me of when Furbys were banned from all government buildings.

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It is a bit OTT

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