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Serenak

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Quick survey of GC members backup behaviours and techniques

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I put the clutch to the floor, push the shifter all the way to the right and down. Then, I let the clutch out as I accelerate slowly.

Of course, I check both ways first so I don't back over any children.

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Serenak

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Icon 1 posted October 01, 2005 18:28      Profile for Serenak     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Oh ho - very witty my friend...

But in that sense I'm with you - back my car up *carefully*

Don't know about where you are, but here in the UK if you are in a Supermarket carpark and want to back up you can guarantee some idiot will walk right behind the damn car (motor running and reversing lights on or not...)

[Mad]

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quote:
Originally posted by Serenak:
Oh ho - very witty my friend...

But in that sense I'm with you - back my car up *carefully*

Don't know about where you are, but here in the UK if you are in a Supermarket carpark and want to back up you can guarantee some idiot will walk right behind the damn car (motor running and reversing lights on or not...)

[Mad]

Stupidity is culture independent, sir.

(In other words, yes, people do it here too.)

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dnm: wtf are you talking about? You push the clutch in, leave your foot on the brake so you don't roll forward, then you push the shifter straight down and into 2nd gear. Then you can do the slow, steady release of the clutch, et. al.

(There's a hidden joke in here for a few who may know to find it) [crazy]

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quote:
(There's a hidden joke in here for a few who may know to find it)
Not fair! [cry baby]

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quote:
Originally posted by MacManKrisK:

(There's a hidden joke in here for a few who may know to find it) [crazy]

*mutters* ...damn VW drivers.... can't put reverse where it belongs....

[Big Grin] [Razz]

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What...I'm the only person who backs up to tape? I find that hard to believe. [Razz]

Also, am I the only one who'd follow a particular strategy because of a cute salesperson? Surely there much be another pitiful geek out there like myself? [Wink] Actually...it was a lie...I do certain backups because it's just process, and at home, because some data is very important to me (my digital pictures, for instance). Mind you, I've seen my fair share of nice reps at LWE, and would probably at least /try/ some of their solutions... [Razz]

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quote:
Originally posted by CommanderShroom:
quote:
Originally posted by MacManKrisK:

(There's a hidden joke in here for a few who may know to find it) [crazy]

*mutters* ...damn VW drivers.... can't put reverse where it belongs....

[Big Grin] [Razz]

REverse on my VW was by pushing down and going PAST first into reverse which was to the far left and up..
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quote:
Originally posted by dragonman97:
What...I'm the only person who backs up to tape? I find that hard to believe. [Razz]

Also, am I the only one who'd follow a particular strategy because of a cute salesperson? Surely there much be another pitiful geek out there like myself? [Wink] Actually...it was a lie...I do certain backups because it's just process, and at home, because some data is very important to me (my digital pictures, for instance). Mind you, I've seen my fair share of nice reps at LWE, and would probably at least /try/ some of their solutions... [Razz]

Tape's just to small to back up to for my stuff now. Hard drives have moved into the Terrabyte territory for home/small business use (at least in our home/small business) and tapes are still in the 20-40GB range, as well as being more expensive than just buying another big hard drive to back up to.

There's also the issue that my archived hard drives seem to have lasted longer than any of my tapes or optical disks over the space of a few years (at least the non Hitachi/IBM Deathstar ones anyway).

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On the *classic* VW's (Bugs, Busses, Karmann Ghias, Squarebacks, Fastbacks, Kubelwagens, et. al.) (namely, the old air-cooled kind), reverse was one of two things, on most you pushed the stick straight down and then into first gear, or on the busses it was straight down and into second gear.

Interesting way of doing things as this actually makes more mechanical sense w.r.t. the transmission itself. Pushing down on the stick engages another gear that turns clockwise into anti-clockwise and makes forward go reverse. In "normal" cars, you're actually doing two motions inside the transmission with only one motion of the stick, this way it's motion per motion. *shrug*

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quote:
Originally posted by drunkennewfiemidget:
REverse on my VW was by pushing down and going PAST first into reverse which was to the far left and up..

The newer waster pumpers are. It keeps you from jumping into reverse when you get very active. But on the classic bugs they were different as MMKK said. I remember on the two I owned reverse dumped out on both. And on my first bug it took me a good 15 minutes to figure out how to get the damn thing into it...

Bleh. That is why I like good ol' American rock crusher muncie's.

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quote:
Originally posted by dragonman97: What...I'm the only person who backs up to tape? I find that hard to believe. [Razz]
In my 20 + years of experience, I've found that, for most people, tape is freakin' useless. They require far more attention than you want to give them, so they almost always fall short when you need them.

I like to back up to disk, preferably off site. Since virtually everthing I do that is worth saving is under revision control and I never put my CVS servers on my development machines, I always have a fresh copy of my sources on two different spindles. Occasionally, I back up entire project trees to DVD.

Of course, I don't manage a 100 person site. In that case tapes make sense. But, that assumes we have 2 or 3 full time admins to make sure the tape system is really backing things and that you can restore from it. Most smaller businesses can't afford this. What they realy need is a big-ass raid system that will tell them "One of my disks failed - run down to Staples, buy a new one and put it in today!!". Sadly, they don't do that yet.

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My really good, really important, can-never-be-collected again data that has been processed and played with gets backed up to an external HD and will later be archived onto DVDs. I have like 60 gigs of data backed up. I have no idea how many DVDs this is going to turn into, but I'm sure I will be getting plenty of crap from my colleagues about my piggish ways. :/

At home I have some important documents backed up onto floppies. This is not good. I should send them to my google account, along with some pics I'd rather not lose.

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Ooohhhh Xanth,

Any backup is better than none - but floppy disks is only about one step up from writing it down on the back of an old envelope (because floppies are so unreliable).

You *really* should do something about that... anything... and soon!

60GB is about 15+ DVDs (depending on how big the files are, small files can fill the whole disk but sometimes big ones don't fit nice and you have to waste some space)

My work archive runs to about 100 CDs and 4 DVDs at present and grows by about one DVD a month now - graphics files get BIG! All doubled up and one copy stored in the fireproof document safe.

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Xanthine: Didn't you get an iPod? You can put files on there, ya know? I'm pretty sure while you have it open in iTunes or something, you can open it like a regular drive in Windows Explorer - assuming the whole thing isn't completely filled with music. [Razz]

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At work, it's a Fibre Channel dual-LTO3-drive library.

At home, it's less like tape and more like ddrescue and ddrhelp, which is to say there's a lot of renaming in lost+found going on.

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quote:
Originally posted by quantumfluff:
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Originally posted by dragonman97: What...I'm the only person who backs up to tape? I find that hard to believe. [Razz]
In my 20 + years of experience, I've found that, for most people, tape is freakin' useless. They require far more attention than you want to give them, so they almost always fall short when you need them.

I like to back up to disk, preferably off site. Since virtually everthing I do that is worth saving is under revision control and I never put my CVS servers on my development machines, I always have a fresh copy of my sources on two different spindles. Occasionally, I back up entire project trees to DVD.

Of course, I don't manage a 100 person site. In that case tapes make sense. But, that assumes we have 2 or 3 full time admins to make sure the tape system is really backing things and that you can restore from it. Most smaller businesses can't afford this. What they realy need is a big-ass raid system that will tell them "One of my disks failed - run down to Staples, buy a new one and put it in today!!". Sadly, they don't do that yet.

You don't need several admins for that. You just need to buy a competent solution. I can recommend the IBM TSM software together with their tape libraries. Very high "just work" factor on those.

Total admin time, perhaps 10% of one admin, on average. More when setting it up, less when just running it. Andhose scale up to a few hundred TB or so.

And for off-site, just get another one and do backup replication. You can choose what classes of data you want off-site copies of too, if you don't want to get two huge tape libraries.

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For my home backups syncing to a Firewire HD I used to use Carbon Copy Cloner, but recently I changed to the $20 shareware app SuperDuper!, which I find works better and in true Mac fashion is simple intuitive and jargon free. I would recommend either of them, and both can be automated to run at regular intervals.

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I'm with Callipygous on this one... Carbon Copy Cloner to an external Firewire HDD. The HDD is formatted into three volumes, one to backup my G4 iMac, one to backup Mrs Grummash's iBook, and the third is just some extra storage. Bootable backups...mmmmmm [Smile]

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