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sosumi
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Icon 1 posted October 27, 2004 07:03      Profile for sosumi   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
and at that only Americans in America...so you ex-pats are s.o.l. if you want to check up on the dubster.
actually, this is not a joke, what are they thinking?

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He knows only 50% of the US population agrees with him, and like 90% of the rest of the planet doesn't.
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quote:
Originally posted by drunkennewfiemidget:
He knows only 50% of the US population agrees with him, and like 90% of the rest of the planet doesn't.

Less than that. He didn't even win the popular vote last time, remember? So that's 49%, minus what Nader et al managed to get, not figuring in those people who didn't vote that do or do not agree with him...

Heh. Reminds me of something off of Saturday Night Live from when Clinton got reelected.

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I'm thinking the reason for the block has to do more with thwarting DoS attacks than anything else. And some reports have said that the blocking they implemented is not very good (try https://www.georgewbush.com for instance).

sigh...I guess we'll have to chalk this up to all the rabid Bush-haters out there who are trying to suppress Bush-supporters' freedom of speech by any means fair or foul. Just like the campaign offices that have been shot up, burglarized, and invaded. And the signs that have been stolen or vandalized. I'm dismayed that it's come to this.

And no, it wouldn't be right if it were Republicans doing it to Kerry either. So let's table that little argument right now. [Razz]

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quote:
Originally posted by Erbo:
sigh...I guess we'll have to chalk this up to all the rabid Bush-haters out there who are trying to suppress Bush-supporters' freedom of speech by any means fair or foul. Just like the campaign offices that have been shot up, burglarized, and invaded. And the signs that have been stolen or vandalized. I'm dismayed that it's come to this.

And no, it wouldn't be right if it were Republicans doing it to Kerry either.

Gee, I'm sure that would never happen

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quote:
Originally posted by Erbo:
And no, it wouldn't be right if it were Republicans doing it to Kerry either. So let's table that little argument right now. [Razz]

What the f*ck are you talking about? You want to table that argument - you mean you want to have it? Where I come from tabling a motion means to submit it for discussion. I'm guessing that you wanted to put an end to it - but your language is ... uhmmm... how should I say this... a bag of wank.

edit: just did a quick lookup - typical! Tabling in septicland has a stupidly different meaning to tabling in the normal world - figures! Just like momentarily, or alternate (which really grinds my nuts!) What a pain in the ass.

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quote:
Originally posted by Erbo:
Just like the campaign offices that have been shot up, burglarized, and invaded

Just like the Iraqis that have been invaded, shot up, burglarized, bombed, killed, raped etc etc etc [Roll Eyes]

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quote:
Originally posted by spungo:
edit: just did a quick lookup - typical! Tabling in septicland has a stupidly different meaning to tabling in the normal world - figures! Just like momentarily, or alternate (which really grinds my nuts!) What a pain in the ass.

America hater !

The one that gets me is "I could care less" when they actually mean "I couldn't care less". WFT is the story there?

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quote:
Originally posted by The Famous Druid:
The one that gets me is "I could care less" when they actually mean "I couldn't care less". WFT is the story there?

One idiot says it, and others follow without thinking. I've noticed a similar thing on the radio lately - some people are suddenly pronouncing the word says "saiz" - i.e. with a long "a", like freakin' school kids. I can understand it if you're reading something out and make a simple phonetic slip - but to do it consistently??? It drives my barmy.

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Since when are you so Anti-America?? [Confused]

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You think that's anti American?

My wife was brought up in such a manner that any TV shows that were deemed as "American" were banned in her household. Anything from Sesame Street to The Muppet Show to MASH. By comparison, anything of British origin was encouraged. And it's still going on now, last Christmas (before the break up), one of the toys Rachael was given for Christmas was commented on unfavourably because the voice when you pulled on the string had an American accent.

Now, that's an extreme case. But there's plenty of racism still alive out there.

Oh, and "I could care less" bugs the heck out of me, too [Smile]

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Leaving aside the semantic arguments for the moment [Smile] , I've done some more thinking about this, trying to figure out what's going on on a purely logical basis.

First: the block almost had to have been an "official" decision. If some sysadmin had decided on his own to do this, either the management would have agreed with him (which makes it indistinguishable from an "official" decision), or they'd be scrambling to undo the blocks right now (and fire the sysadmin responsible). Same thing if some "outside source" (cracker) had been responsible; they'd be correcting the problem damn quick. So assume it was official.

With that out of the way, assume for a moment that it was an "evil" decision to put up the block. What possible motive would they have to do this? Concealing information? Then why keep revealing it to Americans? And besides, the block is too easy to get around to do that effectively. Just to be nasty to all the people overseas? Unlikely; it wouldn't be worth the negative publicity, and wouldn't have any upside I can see. There's just no good reason.

So I have to assume they had a valid technical reason for imposing the block...and the only one I can think of that would warrant such extreme measures is a DDoS attack. (One smarter than the one on whitehouse.gov, which attacked the IP address, not the DNS name. That was easy to defend against.) But such a simplistic block seems inadequate at first glance; after all, the likely "zombies" for that attack would be Windows boxes, and there are, proportionally, a lot more of them in the U.S. than outside. So why block non-North American IPs? Best guess: they're getting DDoS attempts, possibly coordinated and possibly not, from all over the world. (After all, if I were a script kiddie who hated Bush, a DDoS against www.georgewbush.com would likely be the first thing I thought of.) By blocking the overseas addresses, they've reduced the DDoS traffic to a level they can compensate for. It sucks, but the alternative would be to have the site crushed and be inaccessible to the entire planet. Much as certain individuals here might rejoice at that outcome [Smile] , to the IT staff there, keeping the site accessible to Americans--their target audience--is definitely the least-disruptive way to go. Sorry, overseas viewers.

(And it would suck equally if right-wing nutjobs were DDoSing www.johnkerry.com, so kindly leggo that red herring, OK? [Smile] )

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Actually the first thought that occurred to me when I heard about the block was "anti DDOS measure", so it's probably a feasible explanation (since I'm one of those biased liberals, after all [Wink] )

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To me, it seems like a form of censorship. The Bush machine is spewing out crap to the masses stateside. Now what the masses don't realise is that the rest of the world sees some stuff that the Bush administration doesn't let the general public see. One example is the dead US soldiers or the flag drapped coffins coming back from Iraq. We (non americans) saw that, but it was really down played stateside.

OTOH showing Saddams sons with their heads blow apart was news at 6 headlines [Roll Eyes]

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quote:
Originally posted by Cap'n Vic:
OTOH showing Saddams sons with their heads blow apart was news at 6 headlines [Roll Eyes]

More than that, it was on an endless loop. [Roll Eyes] Just like the clip of Saddam getting his hair checked for lice and the medic looking down his throat.
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Doesn't that violate the Geneva Convention.....oh, sorry I forgot international law does not apply to the US [Roll Eyes]

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quote:
Originally posted by snupy:
Since when are you so Anti-America?? [Confused]

Since they tried to remake "Men Behaving Badly". [Wink]

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I got this off the BBCs website
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Data gathered by Netcraft on the pattern of traffic to the site shows that the blocking is not the result of another denial of service attack.

Mike Prettejohn, Netcraft president, speculated that the blocking decision might have been taken to cut costs, and traffic, in the run-up to the election on 2 November.

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Surprisingly, none of the coverage that we have seen to date has considered the possibility that it might be a well executed scheme aimed at increasing international awareness of the site.

The “calculated indifference ploy”, has previously been popularised by the fictional character Reginald Perrin, commercialised by the publishing industry who adopted the moto “If you want to sell a book, first get it banned”, and deployed by generations of parents who learned “If you really want to get something done, deny your children permission to do it”.

Many thousands of people living outside the US who were previously unaware of the site are now earnestly seeking out ways of accessing it.



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Absolutely. People in China and the UK can't change the results of the election, so they want the site to work as quickly and efficiently as possible for anyone accessing it in the United States -- where the voters are.

While it might not be a very good or bright decision, at least one can understand where it's coming from.

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quote:
Originally posted by drunkennewfiemidget:
Absolutely. People in China and the UK can't change the results of the election, so they want the site to work as quickly and efficiently as possible for anyone accessing it in the United States -- where the voters are.

While it might not be a very good or bright decision, at least one can understand where it's coming from.

Of course they can - there are hundreds of thousands of overseas-posted servicemen, etc who are entitled to vote. Just 'cos you're not at home doesn't mean you can't vote, and in a tight election like this both parties need every vote they can get.

Btw - as a side note - do you know where the largest polling station in the world for the 1999 Australian republican referendum was? London. So there. [Razz]

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quote:
Originally posted by spungo:
quote:
Originally posted by drunkennewfiemidget:
Absolutely. People in China and the UK can't change the results of the election, so they want the site to work as quickly and efficiently as possible for anyone accessing it in the United States -- where the voters are.

While it might not be a very good or bright decision, at least one can understand where it's coming from.

Of course they can - there are hundreds of thousands of overseas-posted servicemen, etc who are entitled to vote. Just 'cos you're not at home doesn't mean you can't vote, and in a tight election like this both parties need every vote they can get.

Btw - as a side note - do you know where the largest polling station in the world for the 1999 Australian republican referendum was? London. So there. [Razz]

Yea, but the vast majority of the absentee ballots are coming from what? Soldiers in Iraq who were told wouldn't be there nearly that long and have watched both colleagues and civilians die. Would you want to make it easier for them to vote if you were a republican?

Me either.

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Err... I don't think that's correct - add up all the troops stationed in Germany, Guam, Australia, Kazakhstan, etc - probably way more than the 130k in Iraq - plus the number of civilian absentees probably matches that too.

I can think of no reason why they've blocked the site to anyone outside the US - it doesn't sound like they've thought it through terribly well. I would wager that any DoS attack would come from within the US anyway (what you mean, that can't happen as all anti-US terror comes from overseas? What about McVeigh? )

Who knows what shrub was thinking.

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quote:
Originally posted by spungo:
add up all the troops stationed in Germany, Guam, Australia, Kazakhstan, etc

Aside from a few staff at 'joint facilities', (like the Pine Gap electronic spy base) no actual US military bases here.

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That's what you think. [Wink]

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I'm sure it's been said before, but I'll just say it again. /Most/ of the military overseas are accessing the Internet via VPNs, and related technologies, and come through a US backbone before they connect to sites in the US. Any of our personnel wishing to access this site from civilian residences, or public libraries, etc., while on leave, or in their own civilian housing (I'm sure such a thing exists for certain positions) will be SOL, though.

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