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Evilbunny
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Icon 5 posted April 29, 2007 22:06      Profile for Evilbunny   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Hey all, I have this problem...you see I am a Sociology/Anthropology major, but I came across this riddle that I need to solve. How does one figure out something like this? May I please have some direction? Thanks so much, everyone.

Ruskin's Message

1/11 1/24 3/6 5/7 5/6, 8/22 6/2 3/8 3/1 3/1
7/3 2/12 3/3 5/9 9/3 9/12 11/12 8/6 9/8 3/15
3/12, 13/6 6/2 6/3 7/1 9/22 3/6 2/3 6/7 5/3
3/26 3/27 7/13 7/12 13/6 7/11 1/2!
[3/26 5/6 9/12 13/6 1/1 3/3 8/22 3/27 1/2 5/6
13/6 2/12 1/24 6/2 5/6]
(up top)

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are we to assume that each fraction is a letter of the alphabet? Or perhaps the answer to the fractions is the letter as I don't see any repeated fractions. I do see 1/1 3/3. These both equal one. They are next to each other cand could be a repeated letter such as TT or SS.

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Ever done a cryptoquip? I'm wondering if each fraction has a letter value and the fact it's 1 through 26 is a red herring.

Page of John Ruskin quotes for you to sample and see if one fits.

John Ruskin was a British social critic, art critic, author, poet, and artist from the 19th century.

Try this first.

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Little known fact. Ruskin was also the executor of Turner's will, and in that capacity he destroyed all his erotica/pornographic drawings.

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quote:
Originally posted by Just_Jess_B:
Ever done a cryptoquip? I'm wondering if each fraction has a letter value and the fact it's 1 through 26 is a red herring.

I Thought so too, then I noticed the 27 hidden among the other numbers. So I would rather think it refers another written message, with the line/letter givened. But then, what would be the source-message? A poem, an epitaph, somthing else?

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quote:
Originally posted by Stereo:
quote:
Originally posted by Just_Jess_B:
Ever done a cryptoquip? I'm wondering if each fraction has a letter value and the fact it's 1 through 26 is a red herring.

I Thought so too, then I noticed the 27 hidden among the other numbers. So I would rather think it refers another written message, with the line/letter givened. But then, what would be the source-message? A poem, an epitaph, somthing else?
Well, riddles are often about misdirection, perhaps the source is on the page the puzzle came from, but was thought to be irrelevant to this riddle? What does the "(up top)" at the bottom of the lines of fractions come from, I wonder?

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quote:
Originally posted by Sxeptomaniac:
quote:
Originally posted by Stereo:
quote:
Originally posted by Just_Jess_B:
Ever done a cryptoquip? I'm wondering if each fraction has a letter value and the fact it's 1 through 26 is a red herring.

I Thought so too, then I noticed the 27 hidden among the other numbers. So I would rather think it refers another written message, with the line/letter givened. But then, what would be the source-message? A poem, an epitaph, somthing else?
Well, riddles are often about misdirection, perhaps the source is on the page the puzzle came from, but was thought to be irrelevant to this riddle? What does the "(up top)" at the bottom of the lines of fractions come from, I wonder?
My first guess is that he's telling us the numerator is significant.

In fact, they seem to match the statistical prevalence of individual letters.

However, it is unlikely that the numerator alone is significant, as three consecutive threes exist. Perhaps these aren't fractions at all, but rather some sort of transposition cypher?

The 27 seems to rule out alphabetical significance in the denominator, and not all character positions in the cypher are covered, so it probably isn't a reference to a position.

I wouldn't be surprised if the first word was "hello".

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I'm thinking that the bottom set of fractions inside the brackets are a key for the title of the riddle(Ruskin's Message).
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I thought that too for a while, but 5/6 would appear once in a "u" context and twice in an "e" context if that were the case.
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I thought they might be jumbled, but there are 4 's' and only 3 '5/6' so that certainly it is not it.
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quote:
Originally posted by Stereo:
quote:
Originally posted by Just_Jess_B:
Ever done a cryptoquip? I'm wondering if each fraction has a letter value and the fact it's 1 through 26 is a red herring.

I Thought so too, then I noticed the 27 hidden among the other numbers. So I would rather think it refers another written message, with the line/letter givened. But then, what would be the source-message? A poem, an epitaph, somthing else?
I read in wikipedia that those prints were found in 2005.
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I meant to quote Callipygous not Stereo
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