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Topic: Hope you lot ain't seen this one already...


Spiderman
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posted July 07, 2006 12:24
Mmmmm, mathematical trickery.
Very similar to this: http://www.mysticalball.com/
I was called into the sales office the other day to explain how the link I just pasted works. These things are admittedly very clever...
 Math problems? Call 1800[(10x)(13i)^2][sin(xy)/2.362x]
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Ashitaka
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posted July 07, 2006 13:18
There are only 9 possible answers to this problem. They all have the same symbol, and are divisible by 9.
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Spiderman
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posted July 07, 2006 13:59
There's a bit more to it than that.
This relies on the magic number 9 again (7 Up puzzle comes to mind).
Take any number. 32 for example. This can also be expressed as 10*3 + 2.
With the game, it asks you to subtract the sum of the digits of the number from the number, which can be expressed as follows:
10*3 + 2  (3 + 2) = 9*3 = 27
More generically: 10*a + b  (a + b) = 9a
As this number is always predictable, the symbols used are all the same, scattered throughout the myriad of other symbols which exist merely as a distraction.
They change the symbol each time you play, but they change *every* appropriate symbol. They only give you 10 seconds, but notice all the other symbols of the same type, and you'll notice they're all multiples of 9.
Again, very clever. The first time encountering this kind of puzzle can be flabbergasting.
 Math problems? Call 1800[(10x)(13i)^2][sin(xy)/2.362x]
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maybe.logic
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posted July 10, 2006 07:35
quote: Originally posted by Spiderman: There's a bit more to it than that.
This relies on the magic number 9 again (7 Up puzzle comes to mind).
Take any number. 32 for example. This can also be expressed as 10*3 + 2.
With the game, it asks you to subtract the sum of the digits of the number from the number, which can be expressed as follows:
10*3 + 2  (3 + 2) = 9*3 = 27
More generically: 10*a + b  (a + b) = 9a
As this number is always predictable, the symbols used are all the same, scattered throughout the myriad of other symbols which exist merely as a distraction.
They change the symbol each time you play, but they change *every* appropriate symbol. They only give you 10 seconds, but notice all the other symbols of the same type, and you'll notice they're all multiples of 9.
Again, very clever. The first time encountering this kind of puzzle can be flabbergasting.
It was'nt flabbergasting for me as it has never worked
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Ashitaka
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posted July 10, 2006 07:46
It is really easy to blow peoples minds by doing square roots in your head, and believe it or not it is not very difficult. Most people today wouldn't even know how, without a calculator, to get a square root. Though it's been done in peoples head since the days of ancient egypt.
Here's my link on how to do it, though there are probably better explanations if you just google it.
How to do square roots in your head
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canadiangeek
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posted July 10, 2006 08:16
Ashitaka,
I didn't realize it was that easy... I feel like a shame to the geek community
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maybe.logic
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posted July 10, 2006 11:19
I second that, I just used to use factorisation, ooohh that was very boring!
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The Famous Druid
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posted July 10, 2006 15:19
Don't they teach the young geeks anything these days?
I was taught that square root 'trick' when I was 14, it's a natural outcome of a bit of very basic algebra.
(a+b)^2 = a^2 + 2ab + b^2
Using the numbers from the example, if you're trying to find sqrt(79), and your guess is 9, and you know there's a (smallish) error 'e' in your guess, then
79 = (9 + e)^2 = 81 + 18e + e^2
If e is small, then e^2 will be very small, so don't worry about it.
This leaves you with
79 = 81 + 18e 2 = 18e e = 2/18
so your approximate square root is 9  2/18
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Ashitaka
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posted July 11, 2006 00:07
quote: Originally posted by The Famous Druid: Don't they teach the young geeks anythng these days?
No they don't. Well not in Indiana at least. My mother is a math teacher in a high school . She is not allowed to disallow 4 function calculators to her low students. Students don't even remember the multilication table any more becuase they never have to use it.
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maybe.logic
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posted July 11, 2006 03:33
That is a very good point Ashitaka, I have a few friends who have children doing A level maths, which is a decent level, and they can do all of the "theory" (via calculator) but ask them to try some mental arithmetic, they are about as advanced as a 10 year old, it is quite embarrassing to listen to the poor answers.
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