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maximile

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Icon 5 posted January 18, 2006 08:00      Profile for maximile   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Okay, here we go.

I need to buy a laptop for college, mainly to run Maya, Photoshop, After Effects and perhaps some other stuff. I'm only considering a Mac, for various reasons.

So... do I break that tech commandment that instructs us not to buy a rev. 1 machine, and get a MacBook Pro? How risky is it, really?

It's been a few years since I last bought a Mac, so I'd like a bit of advice. Is it still true that it's cheaper to buy it with as little RAM as possible and then upgrade it with 3rd-party? Is the Applecare worth the money? How about the faster hard disk? I guess that'd make a big difference to importing video, but will it upset the battery life?

I'm a little worried about performance under Rosetta, but I'm sure it won't be long before universal versions of those apps come out.

Anyway, I can manage it on the finance side, and my current PB is dying to be updated, so... can anyone give me some reasons not to buy?

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The answer for your situation would be NO! As Steve Jobs stated you can run Photoshop, but it is not recommended for everyday use, just opening a photo now and then. I'd wait until you hear conformation of updated for the apps you need to run.

AppleCare is a MUST for portables IMHO!

A faster hard drive would be a great idea with the kind of apps you run.

The MacBook isn't shipping until March, perhaps the software will be updated by then.

If you really need to upgrade your PowerBook this is an option.

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Ars Technica has a review of the new iMac w/ Core Duo processor. Photoshop ran significantly slower than the G5 iMac in all tasks, sometimes painfully so. The reviewer found other problems running a few different pro-level apps.

There are rumors that other MacBooks are waiting in the wings, and Steve J. did say Final Cut, etc. will be Universal in March. That suggests to me that even better laptops will drop around then to coincide with the updated pro apps.

I would suggest that you wait a few more months if at all possible. The G4 PowerBooks are relative dogs right now, but for what you need to do I don't see the announced MacBook Pro being much better for you.

Oh, one other thing -- I saw a note on Engadget (I think) last night that many of the WinTel Core Duo laptops have very poor battery life -- like only two hours. I think the link was to Tom's Hardware, but I don't have time to look right now (sorry). Apparently the processor itself is confirmed to be very power efficient, so it's not clear where the drain is coming from. Just a word of caution in case it affects the MacBook as well.

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Personally, I refrain from buying first generation anything, but that's just me, IANAL, YMMV, IMNSHO, IRAH.
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quote:
Originally posted by drunkennewfiemidget:
Personally, I refrain from buying first generation anything, but that's just me, IANAL, YMMV, IMNSHO, IRAH.

OK, IRAH has me stumped -- I Really Am Ham? Individual Rabbits Are Hairy? [Confused]

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quote:
but that's just me, IANAL
Should you be sharing this with us, dnm? [blush]

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quote:
Originally posted by drunkennewfiemidget:
IANAL , YMMV , IMNSHO, IRAH.

Aparently Urban Dictionary is also confused by IRAH, care to define?
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IRAH is one I made up: insert random acronym here. [Big Grin] If it becomes huge, I am taking credit for it! [Razz]
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quote:
If it becomes huge, I am taking credit for it!
I belive you just did. [Razz]
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I really am hard
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I release a haberdasher
I rouse a harlot
I rush away headlong
I rootle about hedges
I rustle a heliotrope
I rattle and hiss
I rather am hysterical
is rambling and hopeless
is really a Hottentot?

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quote:
is really a Hottentot?
Quite appropriate coming from Callipygous.

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Hottentot?
code:
From The Collaborative International Dictionary of English v.0.48 [gcide]:

Hottentot \Hot"ten*tot\, n. [D. Hottentot; -- so called from hot
and tot, two syllables of frequent occurrence in their
language. --Wedgwood.]
1. (Ethnol.) One of a degraded
[1913 Webster]

2. The language of the Hottentots, which is remarkable for
its clicking sounds; the {Khoisan} language.
[1913 Webster +PJC]

{Hottentot cherry} (Bot.), a South African plant of the genus
{Cassine} ({Cassine maurocenia}), having handsome foliage,
with generally inconspicuous white or green flowers.
--Loudon.

{Hottentot's bread}. (Bot.) See {Elephant's foot}
(a), under {Elephant}.
[1913 Webster]

From WordNet (r) 2.0 [wn]:

Hottentot
n : any of the Khoisan languages spoken by the pastoral people
of Namibia and South Africa [syn: {Khoikhoin}, {Khoikhoi}]

*click-pop-click-click-snap*?

And dict IRAH:
code:
No definitions found for "IRAH", perhaps you mean:
gcide: IRA Iran
wn: IRA Irak Iran Iraq
easton: Ira Sirah Ivah Irad Iram
hitchcock: Ira Imrah Hirah Arah Ivah Irad Iram
world02: Iran Iraq
gazetteer: Ira



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Didn't Grandfather fight the Hottentots in "Chitty Chitty Bang Bang"? I just remember hearing Dick van Dyke say "Off to fight the Hottentots" (or something like that) in his distinctive voice.

N!xau wasn't a Hottentot, but I'm thinking his language would be similar?

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quote:
IRAH
I Repair Apple Hardware ?
I Repeat Awful Haiku ?
If Ribald And Howling ?
Immediately Run And Hide ?

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quote:
IRAH
Silly me. It obviously means Intel Rocks Apple's Hardware!

And Rhonnie, I think you're right about the grandfather in Chitty Chitty Bang Bang fighting the Hottentots, but I'd have to watch it again to be sure.

Edit: Oh, there is One More Thing. MacCentral has lab test results for the new iMac and they don't look good for apps under Rosetta. They found that most apps run about half as fast under Rosetta as they do native for "real world" tasks.

OK, now back to our regularly scheduled thread digression(s).

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Having been granted such a wonderful opportunity via Ugh!'s permission, I could not resist:

(And for those who would clamor for the source of the data, it came from a local MUG via email, this morning.)

For those of us who sometimes get flustered by our computers, please read on... If Bud Abbott and Lou Costello were alive today, their infamous sketch, "Who' on First?" might have turned outsomething like this:


COSTELLO CALLS TO BUY A COMPUTER FROM ABBOTT:

ABBOTT: Super Duper computer store. Can I help you?
COSTELLO: Thanks. I'm setting up an office in my den and I'm thinking about buying a computer.
ABBOTT: Mac?
COSTELLO: No, the name's Lou.
ABBOTT: Your computer?
COSTELLO: I don't own a computer. I want to buy one.
ABBOTT: Mac?
COSTELLO: I told you, my name's Lou.
ABBOTT: What about Windows?
COSTELLO: Why? Will it get stuffy in here?
ABBOTT: Do you want a computer with Windows?
COSTELLO: I don't know. What will I see when I look at the windows?
ABBOTT: "Wallpaper."
COSTELLO: Never mind the windows. I need a computer and software.
ABBOTT: Software for Windows?
COSTELLO: No. On the computer! I need something I can use to write proposals, track expenses and run my business. What do you have?
ABBOTT: "Office."
COSTELLO: Yeah, for my office. Can you recommend anything?
ABBOTT: I just did.
COSTELLO: You just did what?
ABBOTT: Recommend something.
COSTELLO: You recommended something?
ABBOTT: Yes.
COSTELLO: For my office?
ABBOTT: Yes.
COSTELLO: OK, what did you recommend for my office?
ABBOTT: "Office."
COSTELLO: Yes, for my office!
ABBOTT: I recommend "Office" with Windows.
COSTELLO: I already have an office with windows! OK, let's just say I'm sitting at my computer and I want to type a proposal. What do I need?
ABBOTT: "Word."
COSTELLO: What word?
ABBOTT: "Word" in "Office."
COSTELLO: The only word in office is office.
ABBOTT: The "Word" in "Office" for Windows.
COSTELLO: Which word in office for windows?
ABBOTT: The "Word" you get when you click the blue "W".
COSTELLO: I'm going to click your blue "w" if you don't start with some straight answers. What about financial bookkeeping? You have anything I can track my money with?
ABBOTT: "Money."
COSTELLO: That's right. What do you have?
ABBOTT: "Money."
COSTELLO: I need money to track my money?
ABBOTT: It comes bundled with your computer.
COSTELLO: What's bundled with my computer?
ABBOTT: "Money."
COSTELLO: Money comes with my computer?
ABBOTT: Yes. No extra charge.
COSTELLO: I get a bundle of money with my computer? How much?
ABBOTT: One copy.
COSTELLO: Isn't it illegal to copy money?
ABBOTT: Microsoft gave us a license to copy "Money."
COSTELLO: They can give you a license to copy money?
ABBOTT: Why not? THEY OWN IT!
(A few days later)
ABBOTT: Super Duper computer store. Can I help you?
COSTELLO: How do I turn my computer off?
ABBOTT: Click on "START"............. [Razz]

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quote:
Originally posted by drunkennewfiemidget:
IRAH is one I made up: insert random acronym here. [Big Grin] If it becomes huge, I am taking credit for it! [Razz]

Too late... hehe!

http://add.urbandictionary.com/verify.php?code=fe0ef8bfba&function=submit

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"IMNSHO, I'd highly recommend Apple's PowerBook over IBM's ThinkPad, it seems more suited to your needs; of course IANAL, YMMV, IRAH

Oh, no you didn't just dis' the Thinkpad!

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I bet a Thinkpad or Inspiron with similar specs will be around $1400 or less by the time Macbook finally hits the stores. Also, I wouldn't be too surprised if OSX gets hacked so it can run natively on the said IBM or Dell - after all, the hardware is the same, the only difference is the BIOS. [evil]

EDIT: hmmm, a dual-core stinkpad for under $1400

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zesovietrussian, that link didn't work. But anyway, I'm not choosing to go with the Mac just for performance. And while there are versions of OSX cracked for other machines, every time Apple releases an update you have to wait for someone to crack it. I can't really be bothered with those sorts of hacks.

Anyway, you guys haven't convinced me at all. I'm not sure where any ideas that there will be another update soon come from. Surely they wouldn't replace it so soon after its release? Maybe they'd upgrade it marginally when they update the 12" and 17", but I can live with that.

And I'm confident that updating apps to universal binaries won't take too long. I can live with a slower Photoshop for a few months (and remember, I'm used to running it on a 550MHz Powerbook... it's going to seem fast to me).

Looks like it might have to be a MacBook for me... I'm still wondering about the memory thing, though. Do I order it with maximum RAM, or do I get as little RAM as possible and upgrade it myself?

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quote:
Originally posted by maximile:
I'm still wondering about the memory thing, though. Do I order it with maximum RAM, or do I get as little RAM as possible and upgrade it myself?

I would suggest getting as little RAM as possible and then upgrading it yourself. While it looks like Apple has dropped it's RAM upgrade prices a bit, I still think they're more expensive.

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I didn't mean to imply that Apple would replace the current MacBook Pro. What I meant is that I expect additional MacBook products to be announced in March. I won't speculate on how these new books will compare to the current one because I have no insider information.

Anyway, if your current powerbook is 550Mhz then sure, I'd say the MacBook would be an improvement even with Rosetta apps. If nothing else, the memory bandwidth and video capabilities are vastly improved. In fact I think the memory benchmarks were one area where the Core Duo iMac completely thrashed even the Dual G5 PowerMac.

That said, I would personally wait a week or two after they start shipping to make sure there are no major problems exposed by the masses.

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quote:
Originally posted by angryjungman:
quote:
Originally posted by maximile:
I'm still wondering about the memory thing, though. Do I order it with maximum RAM, or do I get as little RAM as possible and upgrade it myself?

I would suggest getting as little RAM as possible and then upgrading it yourself. While it looks like Apple has dropped it's RAM upgrade prices a bit, I still think they're more expensive.
I'll second that - I remember getting a 1 gig PC2700 stick for my albook for $120 back when Apple still wanted $700 for theirs. Also, hopefully Apple will finally start putting better LCDs on their laptops - it's rather disappointing to find out that a 12" Powerbook, a premium laptop, has a screen that's way worse than that on a Dell 700m, which is an el cheapo budget machine ($1500 vs $750.)

EDIT: I'll try to get my hands on a copy of OSX86 and install it on the Dell, it would be funny if it ends up being faster than my PB [Wink]

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quote:
Originally posted by zesovietrussian:
Also, hopefully Apple will finally start putting better LCDs on their laptops - it's rather disappointing to find out that a 12" Powerbook, a premium laptop, has a screen that's way worse than that on a Dell 700m, which is an el cheapo budget machine ($1500 vs $750.)

Supposedly the MacBook screen is much better than the PB screens.

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I have to second (third?) the idea of getting AppleCare -- I've had it on both my laptops and got my money's worth. Not that the machines were lemons, but the abuse that a laptop computer can receive if you're using it to its full potential makes the peace of mind worth it.

Of course it didn't cover the time my wife dropped the computer from 6' above a marble-tiled floor -- That's when I learned the cost of non-warranty repairs. Ouch.

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