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Icon 1 posted April 20, 2005 17:04      Profile for shriver     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
My friend found some interesting grafitti the other day.

quote:
0110110101101111011011000110010101100011011101010110110001100101
01100100
01101101

This message appeared on the wall in the pedestrian underpass at the
University of Utah around April 15, 2005. Using the ASCII character set,
it translates to:

molecule
d
m

If you have any idea what this is about, I am curious.

Any ideas?

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It means the graf. artist needs to get another wife. He has too much time on his hands! [Razz]

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*Another* wife? Methinks one wife would be enough to keep him too busy for such graffiti.
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hehe... mage, it was a joke. Utah is the home of most of the Mormons in the United States. Traditionally they've been polygamous. Thus... [Wink]

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quote:
Originally posted by Rhonwyyn:
It means the graf. artist needs to get another wife.

Hey, I didn't know you were a Mormon! [Razz]

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Are you implying I'm batting for the other team, too? If so, I have a few ideas how to remedy that assumption... [Razz]

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quote:
Originally posted by Rhonwyyn:
Are you implying I'm batting for the other team, too?

Uh, no, it was a dig at Mormon polygamy[1]. Now I'm confused [Confused]

[1] Yes, I know that most LDS members don't believe in polygamy anymore

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Q) What's the penalty for polygamy in the Utah?

A) Two mothers-in-law.


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Ooh, missed the U of Utah thing in the OP. I am aware of Utah's reputation, being an American.

Wasn't it one of the branches (well, schismed groups, I guess) of the LDS that supports polygamy that Jon Krakauer covered in "Banner of Heaven"?

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quote:
Originally posted by magefile:
Ooh, missed the U of Utah thing in the OP. I am aware of Utah's reputation, being an American.

Wasn't it one of the branches (well, schismed groups, I guess) of the LDS that supports polygamy that Jon Krakauer covered in "Banner of Heaven"?

Yep, that's basically it. From my understanding, at some point the mainstream LDS had a new revelation (ie changed viewpoints) re polygamy. Sometime after that a breakaway group formed that still held to polygamy, and possibly some other beliefs.

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quote:
Originally posted by csk:
From my understanding, at some point the mainstream LDS had a new revelation (ie changed viewpoints) re polygamy.

They tend to have new revelations every now and again, whenever one of their viewpoints goes out of favor (such as their early standpoint on skin color).

"Under the Banner of Heaven" has quite a lot of fascinating history in it. It has a lot about the LDS church's founder, Smith, and the church's history. It's good to know about the history of the population group that dominates the place I grew up in.

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This story is crazy. Basically, an offshoot of this polygamist sect has moved to West Texas. I don't know what's worse: the sect moving to Texas, or our fine legislature proposing to change the age of consent for marriage from 14 to 16! I mean, I am all for passing stricter laws, but I was under the impression that the age of consent for marriage was 18. Fourteen is entirely too young to get married. I was still playing with dolls at that age. Ok, ok, I was watching Beavis and Butt-head and smoking cigarettes, but still. I was certainly not anywhere near ready for marriage. Hell, ten years later I still have no clue about these things.

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quote:
Originally posted by shriver:
quote:
Originally posted by csk:
From my understanding, at some point the mainstream LDS had a new revelation (ie changed viewpoints) re polygamy.

They tend to have new revelations every now and again, whenever one of their viewpoints goes out of favor (such as their early standpoint on skin color).
I believe the 'revelation' abouty polygamy was prompted by Lincolns threat to send the army in.

As for their skin colour thing, I went to school in a town with a noticable Mormon minority (there were 1 or 2 in most or my classes) and I once allowed a classmate to talk me into attending a mormon service (she had nice tits).

The subject of the sermon?

The evils of inter-racial marriage.

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My aunt is Mormon, and thus so are my cousins, kind of. They attend the service occasionally, had a church welcoming ceremony (they don't baptize, different theology, similar ritual, a general blessing). Most people do not join the Church of Latter Day Saints for the theology, and most realize it is weird. Basically it says that there were people living in the US, as well as the middle east, during the time of Jesus. The Isrealites at one point had sailed over here on a boat. When Jesus came, he also visited this civilization. A man named Mormon had written on some gold plates about all this, and back in present day, a man in Utah found these plates. God told him no more religious sects and to copy them, and he did, which is now the Book of Mormon. Unfortunatly, only a handful of people saw these plates before God took them. Also, in this belief system, when you die, you get your own planet to live on. But you can have ceremonies so that your family can all share one planet instead of being seperated.


As you can see, this theology is rarely the reason people join, rather its the incredibly strong sense of family and community. If you are mormon, you never have any doubt about your family's love and care for you. And if your family ever has financial trouble, the church will likely give you a large, 0% interest loan for an indefinate period of time.


That was the heavily abridged version of my essay for World Religions Class

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I'm not so sure I'd want to share a planet with my family for an eternity.

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quote:
Originally posted by californiarockr:
My aunt is Mormon, and thus so are my cousins, kind of. They attend the service occasionally, had a church welcoming ceremony (they don't baptize, different theology, similar ritual, a general blessing). Most people do not join the Church of Latter Day Saints for the theology, and most realize it is weird. Basically it says that there were people living in the US, as well as the middle east, during the time of Jesus. The Isrealites at one point had sailed over here on a boat. When Jesus came, he also visited this civilization. A man named Mormon had written on some gold plates about all this, and back in present day, a man in Utah found these plates. God told him no more religious sects and to copy them, and he did, which is now the Book of Mormon. Unfortunatly, only a handful of people saw these plates before God took them. Also, in this belief system, when you die, you get your own planet to live on. But you can have ceremonies so that your family can all share one planet instead of being seperated.


As you can see, this theology is rarely the reason people join, rather its the incredibly strong sense of family and community. If you are mormon, you never have any doubt about your family's love and care for you. And if your family ever has financial trouble, the church will likely give you a large, 0% interest loan for an indefinate period of time.


That was the heavily abridged version of my essay for World Religions Class

You've got a lot of facts in there, most of which are right-ish. The main point of your post is correct, though, that the LDS church is a large community (and corporation).

The LDS church does baptise, although it is a little different. Baptism is essential to salvation and one can be 'baptised by proxy' even after death, by a living descendant.

The Jewish merchant who came to the America's was named Lehi and his descendants are often rumored to be the Native Americans (DNA evidence shows no support of this).

The man who discovered the plates of Mormon, Joseph Smith, actually found them somewhere in New York. After a Great deal of persecution and murders (on both the side of the Mormons and those who lived around them), the LDS people moved west and eventually ended up in Utah. Note that Joseph Smith was killed in Nauvoo, IL. and never made it to Utah. Brigham Young led the Mormons into the Salt Lake valley and declared it 'the place.'

Mormon theology teaches that those who live the purest lives (are most sinless and heavily involved in the church) will reach the 'Celestial Kingdom.' In this celestial kindom, an individual is given a planet over which they rule as God, and in fact, our planet's God was once a man somewhere on another planet. Every individual that lives on that planet is a spiritual child of that God. In that way, each human on 'your planet' is spiritually related to you.

This is the product of years of watching people argue with Mormon missionaries about their belief system.

Is it just me or does any mention of 'Utah' always bring up a conversation about Mormons? It seems like that's what ends up happening whenever I mention that I am from Utah. I once had a Book of Mormon thrown at my crotch because I am from Utah.

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quote:
Originally posted by shriver:

Mormon theology teaches that those who live the purest lives (are most sinless and heavily involved in the church) will reach the 'Celestial Kingdom.' In this celestial kindom, an individual is given a planet over which they rule as God, and in fact, our planet's God was once a man somewhere on another planet.

So the Mormons aren't monotheists?
Wow!
That's something I never saw in any of the glossy brochures!

Do you have to get promoted to 'Imperial Grand Dragon Third Level' before they tell you all the funny Sci-Fi stuff, or is that the Scientologists?

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quote:
Originally posted by The Famous Druid:
So the Mormons aren't monotheists?
Wow!
That's something I never saw in any of the glossy brochures!

In the strictest, anthropological sense most Christians wouldn't be considered monotheistic because there is more than one powerful, supernatural entity. The Devil, and possibly angels and demons would also get counted.

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quote:
Originally posted by TMBWITW,PB:
quote:
Originally posted by The Famous Druid:
So the Mormons aren't monotheists?
Wow!
That's something I never saw in any of the glossy brochures!

In the strictest, anthropological sense most Christians wouldn't be considered monotheistic because there is more than one powerful, supernatural entity. The Devil, and possibly angels and demons would also get counted.
Isn't the Devil just another demon, albeit a powerful one? Then there's the school of theology that says that demons are basically just fallen angels, anyway, so that would narrow it to just God and angels.

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quote:
Originally posted by shriver:

Is it just me or does any mention of 'Utah' always bring up a conversation about Mormons? It seems like that's what ends up happening whenever I mention that I am from Utah. I once had a Book of Mormon thrown at my crotch because I am from Utah.

I hear "Utah" and I think "powder snow" and "rock climbing" and "need to check that out" but that might just be me...

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quote:
Originally posted by csk:
Isn't the Devil just another demon, albeit a powerful one? Then there's the school of theology that says that demons are basically just fallen angels, anyway, so that would narrow it to just God and angels.

Well yes, the whole devil/angels/demons thing is debatable, but that's a whole nuther thing from "Good Evening, my name is Jehovah, I'll be your god for this planet....."

Looks to me like Jehovah just got a major demotion.

So, should we expect that if mankind ever colonises the galaxy, Mormons will worship the planetary deity-de-jour ?

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Actually, it's interesting, I've been working through the LDS web site trying to see if the way out "You too can become a God", and other weird stuff (like the planet Kolob) is readily accessible. Couldn't find any "you too can become a God", but found some references to Kolob (complete with out of context Bible passage).

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quote:
Originally posted by csk:
Actually, it's interesting, I've been working through the LDS web site trying to see if the way out "You too can become a God", and other weird stuff (like the planet Kolob) is readily accessible. Couldn't find any "you too can become a God", but found some references to Kolob (complete with out of context Bible passage).

/me wonders ... Is this the origin of the planet Kobol in Battlestar Galactica?

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Shriver: Mormons are actually not the first thing that come to mind when I hear Utah. Nope, the first things are "Orrin Hatch" (which always makes me remember that "big beautiful Utah" snafu, as well as the whole "pirated software used to run his website" thing) and SCO.
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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by csk:
Actually, it's interesting, I've been working through the LDS web site trying to see if the way out "You too can become a God", and other weird stuff (like the planet Kolob) is readily accessible. Couldn't find any "you too can become a God", but found some references to Kolob (complete with out of context Bible passage).

/me wonders ... Is this the origin of the planet Kobol in Battlestar Galactica?
Actually, yes, it is. Battlestar Galactica is heavily Mormon influenced, as reported on
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