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Patrick
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Icon 5 posted January 07, 2004 10:15      Profile for Patrick   Author's Homepage         Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
I forgot what format my superdrive uses? I should be getting CD-RW? CD+RW?

Another question a friend of mine asked - when you burn onto a CD-RW, do you still have to finalize/verify it?

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Icon 1 posted January 07, 2004 10:18            Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
For the price I'd just use CD-R and skip the RW discs. The superdrive uses DVD-R.
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Icon 1 posted January 07, 2004 13:34      Profile for The Famous Druid     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
That would be DVD-RW

the whole +/- issue only applied to DVDs.

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quote:
Originally posted by evilbibo:
For the price I'd just use CD-R and skip the RW discs. The superdrive uses DVD-R.

Uh, because you can get the CD-Rs for next to nothing, or buy 25 CD-RWs for $9.99? That does not compute. Then again, I burn a lot of ~permanent discs. I've been thinking of buying some more RWs for temporary CDs (like data backup), but otherwise, I use WORM discs.

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Ok now you have me confused, my point was that CD-R discs are dirt cheap compared to CD-RW discs.

FYI - DVD-R media is priced low too, 25 discs are about $34. And Apple has dropped their DVD-R disc prices by 50%

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Originally posted by dragonman97:
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Originally posted by evilbibo:
For the price I'd just use CD-R and skip the RW discs. The superdrive uses DVD-R.

Uh, because you can get the CD-Rs for next to nothing, or buy 25 CD-RWs for $9.99? That does not compute. Then again, I burn a lot of ~permanent discs. I've been thinking of buying some more RWs for temporary CDs (like data backup), but otherwise, I use WORM discs.

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Icon 1 posted January 07, 2004 22:25      Profile for csk     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by evilbibo:
Ok now you have me confused, my point was that CD-R discs are dirt cheap compared to CD-RW discs.

True, but you can reuse a CD-RW hundreds of times (in theory, at least). From memory from when I last bought, it only takes about 5 rewrites or so to break even. Plus, you don't have to worry about where to store so many CDs, or polluting the environment with old unneeded ones.

Edit: And yes, you should still finalise and verify with CD-RWs. It's pretty much the same as using CD-Rs except you need to blank them first before burning, and your writer probably can't write them as quickly as CD-Rs.

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Icon 1 posted January 07, 2004 22:27      Profile for dragonman97   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Could it be that I misread the post in my mind, and had no fscking clue why you were suggesting RW over R? Sorry, that was just way off - I think I had a case of 'GRE on the brain.'

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quote:
Originally posted by csk:

your writer probably can't write them (CDRWs) as quickly as CD-Rs.

Depends on the type.
Old-style CD/RWs only worked up to about 4x,
the Verbatim Ultraspeeds I use now work at 24x.

Dunno if this works on the mac superdrive, I only use my CDRWs on the PC, I use In-CD which lets me use it as a 500M floppy - very handy for backups

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Icon 1 posted January 08, 2004 06:49      Profile for Patrick   Author's Homepage         Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Well, I have some ZIP disks, but I don't have a drive at home, so I'm trying to find a cheap alternative to transferring large files between school and home without having to buy a ZIP drive.

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Althought it would involve a purchase, how about a USB thumb drive?

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Originally posted by Patrick:
Well, I have some ZIP disks, but I don't have a drive at home, so I'm trying to find a cheap alternative to transferring large files between school and home without having to buy a ZIP drive.


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Icon 1 posted January 08, 2004 15:34      Profile for csk     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by evilbibo:
Althought it would involve a purchase, how about a USB thumb drive?

Or, if you have a digicam (or are intending to get one), a compact flash card reader and a suitably sized flash card.

If you have access to a CD burner at both places, I'd go CD-RW though.

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quote:
Originally posted by evilbibo:

FYI - DVD-R media is priced low too, 25 discs are about $34. And Apple has dropped their DVD-R disc prices by 50%

Try $56 for 50 Ritek DVD-R 4x @ newegg with free supersaver shipping [Smile]

And btw, TFD:
the superdrive in my G5 does RW at 8x i think, but i use my external BenQ that does it at 24x (best investment ever, a 52x24x52 for 35 dollars). when you put in a blank cd-r or -rw it will mount it like a RW storage device, and you can put thigns on it, modify, etc. just like a regular device liek a floppy (it creates a disk image in the background for all of this), then you click "burn" and it burns it and ejects it

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quote:
Originally posted by Tut-an-Geek:
And btw, TFD:
the superdrive in my G5 does RW at 8x i think, but i use my external BenQ that does it at 24x (best investment ever, a 52x24x52 for 35 dollars). when you put in a blank cd-r or -rw it will mount it like a RW storage device, and you can put thigns on it, modify, etc. just like a regular device liek a floppy (it creates a disk image in the background for all of this), then you click "burn" and it burns it and ejects it

Yes, I can do that on my iMac as well, but what the PC lets me do is take that disk, put it on the shelf for a week, then put it back in, delete a few files and replace them with new ones, even edit files on the CD/RW. I really can't understand why Apple have taken so long to do this, it's such an obvious, and super useful feature.

So, the PC is my CD/RW burning machine, and the iMac is my DVD burning machine. Seeing as they're networked, and sit next to each other on the desk, this is no inconvenience at all.

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quote:
Originally posted by The Famous Druid:
Yes, I can do that on my iMac as well, but what the PC lets me do is take that disk, put it on the shelf for a week, then put it back in, delete a few files and replace them with new ones, even edit files on the CD/RW. I really can't understand why Apple have taken so long to do this, it's such an obvious, and super useful feature.

This is called packet-writing and there used to be software from Adaptec to do it on the Mac, but it was only available with specific CD writers, not as a retail product. I think it broke with OS 8 and they claimed it was too difficult to update - no idea why this should be true, probably they meant they didn't think it was worth it.

You can achieve the same effect with a mastered CD by importing the existing session, adding new files or deleting existing ones from the catalogue, and burning it again - it's just a bit more work (not that much more if you're only adding new files). Also there's a limit to how many times you can do it because each session has a 10-15 MB overhead for the catalogue.

If you read one of the extraordinarily detailed CD FAQ's on the net you'll find dire warnings about packet-writing CD-RW's, to the effect that if you get an error while writing or the PC crashes before you eject the disc, the whole disc contents can become unreadable. Also the number of times you can rewrite any given part of a CD-RW is quite limited, maybe a few thousand cycles? I've always concluded that plain old mastering is safer. Anyway CD's are now so cheap and writers so fast that it doesn't seem so much hassle any more...

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