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Message: HTML is not enabled. UBB Code™ is enabled.	[QUOTE]Originally posted by TMBWITW,PB: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by GrumpySteen: [qb] Most of the health problems associated with being fat are not caused by being fat, but rather by the lifestyle that leads to being fat.[/qb][/QUOTE]If lifestyle is the problem it sure would be nice if people actually talked about lifestyle instead of assuming they know what's happening when a person is fat. Believe it or not, some fat people exercise and eat well, some skinny people eat crap and sit on the couch all day. The second person is not the healthier of the two. And it's also entirely possible that the person walking down the street at 250 pounds has [i]already[/i] lost a bunch of weight and is as skinny as they are going to get. [QUOTE]Originally posted by zesovietrussian: [qb]m, that's the woman telling everyone to stop exercising and eating a healthy, balanced diet since it's all useless and ineffective, get as fat as one could possibly want and not worry about it, and yet she looks like she has a better diet and gets more exercise than all of us combined[/qb][/QUOTE]Assuming you're talking about Kate Harding there, I'd suggest you have no idea what you're talking about, or else you completely misunderstand what the word "fat" means. To give myself as an example: [IMG]http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b297/peebs1701/roflbot-9aOM.jpg[/IMG] Granted, I'm on the "smaller" side of fat, but that is what your average obese American looks like right there. And IIRC, Harding is right about at the same BMI as me. Besides which, I don't think there is anyone in the fat acceptance sphere that says you shouldn't eat healthy foods and be active. Just that 1)being healthy is not a moral imperative--and foods do not have moral components 2)you can't tell how "healthy" a person is by looking at them and 3)dieting (especially yo-yo dieting--which is most of it) is self-destructive. [/QB][/QUOTE]