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Message: HTML is not enabled. UBB Code™ is enabled.	[QUOTE]Originally posted by Xanthine: [QB] Maybe they were trying to maximize suffering but don't actually know anything about bikes and bike commuting... A five mile commute on a bike is lightweight. Once you get to around ten miles, a bike commute gets admirable. If you really want to make people hurt, extend the radius to something like 20 miles and then take away the cars. And if you want to be a real asshole, close all the ice cream shops. 20 miles on a bicycle is one thing. 20 miles on a bicycle without even the possibility of having an ice cream at the end is another. [/QB][/QUOTE]