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Colonel Panic
Member # 1200
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 posted February 18, 2009 18:10
At least one too many.
The Aussie in question is Rupert Murdoch. We even let him become a citizen.
Australia's gain is our loss.
Look what one of his newspapers published today:
http://www.smh.com.au/world/newspapers-cartoon-links-obama-to-dead-chimp-20090219-8bmc.html
This is being published in the 21st century people.
Told ya righties are racist. Told ya.
CP
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Snaggy
Member # 123
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posted February 18, 2009 18:55
![[shake head]](graemlins/shakehead.gif)
not funny (and offensive) on many levels.
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The Famous Druid
Member # 1769
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posted February 18, 2009 19:44
Hey, we stopped calling him an aussie years ago.
And no, we won't take him back.
If it's any consolation, News Corp is drowning in debt, advertising revenue is down, and it may not make it through the coming depression. I'd just love to see the owner of FOX News going cap-in-hand to the Obama administration for a handout.
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GMx
Member # 1523
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posted February 18, 2009 20:21
They shouldn't have killed the chimp. They should have let him loose on Rupert Murdoch so that he could rip his face off. ![[devil wand]](graemlins/devilwand.gif)
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Ashitaka
Member # 4924
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posted February 18, 2009 23:07
<devil's advocate>
I can't remember how many times in political cartoons that george bush was drawn as a monkey or a chimp. Why should Barack be off limits, his skin color, isn't that a double standad?
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edit:
To be clearer I think it is totaly unacceptabel for someone to descibe someone as a chimp based on race.
We always desribed Bush as a chimp because he is dumb and had stupid policies.
I believe that Murdoch (or his newspaper) chose to describe Obama as a chimp because he thinks Obama is dumb and has stupid policies. That is why I defend the editorial cartoon.
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TheMoMan
Member # 1659
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posted February 19, 2009 03:33
_______________________ CP __ Me wonders if Rup. became a citizen, to get around the FCC rules about being a citizen to own a TV or Radio Station.
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CommanderShroom
Member # 2097
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posted February 19, 2009 08:56
I saw the cartoon without the commentary, and thought they were comparing the political machine to the chimp on a rampage.
Now it is in bad taste, because of the ape slurs that racists use.
So I can say it was in poor taste, but I can't say, without knowing the cartoonist, if it was purposefully racist.
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Callipygous
Member # 2071
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posted February 19, 2009 19:15
quote:
Originally posted by CommanderShroom:
I can say it was in poor taste, but I can't say, without knowing the cartoonist, if it was purposefully racist.
If the cartoonist is unaware of the racist subtext of that "joke", he has absolutely no business doing political cartoons. He is equally culpable as either knave or fool. Even more disgusting is that the paper is standing behind him.
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Xanthine
Member # 736
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posted February 19, 2009 22:54
quote:
Originally posted by Callipygous:
Even more disgusting is that the paper is standing behind him.
Kind of, sort of, not really.
They're in deep shit and while senior staff know it I'm not sure they're doing what needs to be done to dig their way out of it. I don't care what the cartoonist's intentions were. I don't care how many Bush = monkey jokes were made in the past eight years. You have to be either a special kind of asshole or special kind of moron to link a black president to a berserk chimpanzee. It doesn't matter what the cartoonist thought he was saying. The racial subtext is there and it's going to be a few more generations before that subtext goes away, if it ever does.
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The Famous Druid
Member # 1769
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posted February 20, 2009 00:29
quote:
Originally posted by Ashitaka:
I can't remember how many times in political cartoons that george bush was drawn as a monkey or a chimp. Why should Barack be off limits, his skin color, isn't that a double standad?
Yes, he should be off-limits, because of his skin colour.
Portraying me as a chimp isn't racist.
Portraying Obama as a giraffe, or a turkey, or a poodle isn't racist.
Portraying a black man as a monkey is racist, and the NYP's attempt to claim they didn't know that is lame-to-the-power-of-ridiculous.
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maximile
Member # 3446
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posted February 20, 2009 04:47
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Originally posted by Xanthine:
The racial subtext is there and it's going to be a few more generations before that subtext goes away, if it ever does.
It certainly won't if everyone jumps to the conclusion that a cartoon portraying a black man as a chimp must be racially motivated.
Just assume that the cartoon was making fun of his stimulus bill. That way, if the cartoon wasn't meant to be racist no one gets upset. And if it was, the cartoonist doesn't get the pleasure of pissing people off.
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davor
Member # 3073
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posted February 20, 2009 09:36
Australia is Mecca for many many many Americans so... enough said.
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Ashitaka
Member # 4924
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posted February 20, 2009 10:04
quote:
Originally posted by davor:
Australia is Mecca for many many many Americans so... enough said.
actually, not enough was said, I have no Idea what you are talking about. topic or position
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Colonel Panic
Member # 1200
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posted February 20, 2009 15:21
Ashitaka lives in Switzerland, and Maximile in England.
So I think we can overlook their ignorance of the severity of the racial problems we have with the far right in this country.
Here is an example of what we endure on this side of the pond from the right wing. WARNING! It is redneck in nature!
As for the cartoonist in the instant case I believe anybody in the art-for-commerce business has to have a sensitivity to all implications of their work. Without such knowledge the work is shallow, vulgar and ignorant. In this case the implications were obvious. Ignorance is a thin disguise for an excuse. This was no accident.
This cartoon serves to incite individuals who would kill the President of the United States of America because of his skin color.
CP
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Grummash
Member # 4289
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posted February 20, 2009 15:43
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Originally posted by CP:
So I think we can overlook their ignorance of the severity of the racial problems we have with the far right in this country.
Here is an example of what we endure on this side of the pond from the right wing. WARNING! It is redneck in nature!
That is the most unpleasant website I have ever seen. Horrible.
And returning to the chimp cartoon, it quite obviously crossed the line and should never have been published.
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TheMoMan
Member # 1659
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posted February 20, 2009 18:05
________________ Geek Culture Forum Members __ There are times that I do not want to be called human because that would put me in the same class as these retards.
One thing that my studies of man and mankind have proven over the years that no matter how bad you think something is there is always something worse just over the horizon.
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garlicguy
Member # 3166
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posted February 20, 2009 20:18
quote:
Originally posted by Colonel Panic:
Ashitaka lives in Switzerland, and Maximile in England.
So I think we can overlook their ignorance of the severity of the racial problems we have with the far right in this country.
Here is an example of what we endure on this side of the pond from the right wing. WARNING! It is redneck in nature!
As for the cartoonist in the instant case I believe anybody in the art-for-commerce business has to have a sensitivity to all implications of their work. Without such knowledge the work is shallow, vulgar and ignorant. In this case the implications were obvious. Ignorance is a thin disguise for an excuse. This was no accident.
This cartoon serves to incite individuals who would kill the President of the United States of America because of his skin color.
CP
I don't suppose that there's any chance of questioning the political labels that you've applied, CP? I mean, who says that's a "right wing" website? It has nothing to do with politics. It is grossly misguided and dangerous.
And, just FYI, there is NO WAY Rupert Murdoch is a political conservative. Good grief! Read any of his media outlets in OZ or the US for their editorial policies. The man is a lefty-backer and his enterprises thoroughly supported Obama's campaign.
But he is similar to all power-brokers. They belong to the ultra-elite crowd, not our crowd. Heck, nobody wants to claim him..
Racial discord is not something to be solved at National Government levels. It needs to be solved one neighbor at a time, by those with level-headed approaches to overcome long-held feelings of hatred which allow the bigotry to continue.
FWIW.
gg
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The Famous Druid
Member # 1769
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posted February 20, 2009 20:21
quote:
From 'The Badger' comic:
Ah, you know the type. They like to blame it all on the Jews or the Blacks, 'cause if they couldn't, they'd have to wake up to the fact that life's one big, scary, glorious, complex and ultimately unfathomable crapshoot -- and the only reason THEY can't seem to keep up is they're a bunch of misfits and losers.
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Colonel Panic
Member # 1200
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posted February 23, 2009 18:28
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Originally posted by garlicguy:
I don't suppose that there's any chance of questioning the political labels that you've applied, CP? I mean, who says that's a "right wing" website? It has nothing to do with politics. It is grossly misguided and dangerous.
And, just FYI, there is NO WAY Rupert Murdoch is a political conservative. Good grief!
You are correct, Mr. Garlic. In a hasty effort to cover up some of the foul language in the link AND to avoid writing "redneck" twice in the same sentence I did paint conservatives with much too broad a stroke.
I apologize for that. You seem very conservative but you are not a racist, nor are you a bigot. You seem like a very kind and accepting man. I know there are many other conservatives like you in that sense, as well.
As for Mr. Rupert Murdoch. Well, Garlic, I suppose your views are so far right that the owner of Fox News may seem like a liberal to you. So on that, we disagree.
CP
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reign99
Member # 28007
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posted March 11, 2009 11:42
I think this would have been a better reference!
Go go gadget infinimonkeys
At least the monkeys aren't being shot dead. Though they are treated rather harshly if you read the protocol...
In all seriousness I'm not sure how anyone could miss the reference. I don't think pleading ignorance is a viable excuse here. If it had been a cartoon of a saltine cracker being stepped on with some witty subtext during the Bush years I'm sure it would have drawn fire. Just in poor taste.
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