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Rhonwyyn
Member # 2854
 - posted January 19, 2006 18:45
"When you are looking at that blank search box, you should remember that what you fill can come back to haunt you unless you take precautions," she said.

Apparently the Bush administration is subpoenaing (sp?) all the top search engines, purportedly to discover harmful-to-minors content. Google's refusing to succumb.

The article is here.
 
TheMoMan
Member # 1659
 - posted January 20, 2006 04:18
Rhonwyyn_______________Cell phone records track our where abouts and Google tracks our thoughts. Welcome BIG BROTHER.
 
maximile
Member # 3446
 - posted January 20, 2006 05:43
Who cares? I trust Google not to sell my data or use it for anything I don't want, and I don't look at anything on the 'net that would get me arrested.

I like the fact that Google's not complying, but not because I'm worried about my data.
 
Ugh, MightyClub
Member # 3112
 - posted January 20, 2006 08:46
I care. Not because I search for naughty content or information on devising weapons of mass destruction, though. I care because I believe this sort of data mining by the government infringes on the modern concept of personal privacy in a way that would make our forefathers shudder. I haven't completely thought this all out, but it makes me uneasy.
 
AntonTakk
Member # 4686
 - posted January 20, 2006 19:16
I'm glad google is fighting this, especially since other search engines aparently just rolled over.

just a thought, if I were in google's shoes, and lost the fight, i'd just fax the sections of binary data from their DB that are requested, but then again, I like to be an ass when I think i'll enjoy it.
 
alfrin
Member # 3836
 - posted January 20, 2006 21:28
You know what google should do, a big "fuck you" to Bush. It should release it's page rank algorithm and crawlers etc to the open. Let everyone make their own databases of sites, then bush couldn't do shit about it because it would be like your own search engine, personally, your software. So you can do what you want.
 
Rhonwyyn
Member # 2854
 - posted January 20, 2006 21:49
In the original article it says something about taking precautions (I think I quoted a part of it) when you do Web searches. How? What precautions?
 
dragonman97
Member # 780
 - posted January 20, 2006 22:31
Clear your cookies routinely, and don't log into Google while searching. Use Safari's private browsing mode, or Firefox's 'Clear Private Data' feature (carefully, though!). Also, common sense dictates not searching stuff that might raise red flags.

I think if maswan were around here, he'd agree with me that there is a sizable bit of concern to be had about privacy w.r.t. Google. For now, we can only hope that they will "Do no evil," and protect our data fiercely, but if they ever decided to /really/ use the information they have...I don't even care to think of that. If someone was adequately bored, and willing to buy me coffee, or some other brew, I'd probably bore them to tears with details of all the things Google can presently do with their currently available resources (as best as I can speculate [they have many minds sharper than mine in their employ, no doubt]).
 
Rhonwyyn
Member # 2854
 - posted January 20, 2006 22:38
This afternoon NPR aired an interesting—if somewhat scary—interview with the head of SearchEngineWatch.com. Check it out here.
 
GMx
Member # 1523
 - posted January 21, 2006 11:46
quote:
Originally posted by dragonman97:
Clear your cookies routinely, and don't log into Google while searching. Use Safari's private browsing mode, or Firefox's 'Clear Private Data' feature (carefully, though!). Also, common sense dictates not searching stuff that might raise red flags.

I think if maswan were around here, he'd agree with me that there is a sizable bit of concern to be had about privacy w.r.t. Google. For now, we can only hope that they will "Do no evil," and protect our data fiercely, but if they ever decided to /really/ use the information they have...I don't even care to think of that. If someone was adequately bored, and willing to buy me coffee, or some other brew, I'd probably bore them to tears with details of all the things Google can presently do with their currently available resources (as best as I can speculate [they have many minds sharper than mine in their employ, no doubt]).

And don't forget Sarfari's "Stealth Browsing" mode in the firewall settings. Also there are a few cookie managers out there and Pith Helmet for Safari has ad blocking and other things with cookie management and filters for individual sites.
 
Aditu
Member # 2340
 - posted January 21, 2006 12:12
Bush has such disregard for the sanctity of the constitution. It makes me ill.

Don't forget he can show up at my library and demand any info he wants. And if I let anyone know his people have been here, I do jail time.
 
AncientOne
Member # 2544
 - posted January 21, 2006 13:14
The issue isn't whether particular individuals do or do not have anything to hide. If the U.S. government has probable cause to believe a particular individual has broken a law, it has the ability to obtain a search warrant (from a judge) and require Google to turn over its records with respect to that individual.

What strikes me about this case is that the government appears to be asserting that it has the right to take the intellectual property of a private business without showing probable cause of a crime being committed by that company and without compensation to that company for taking that property.

Indeed, the White House's subpoena is politically motivated, if we can trust this quote from the article Rhonwyn posted: "In court papers that the San Jose Mercury News reported on after seeing them Wednesday, the Bush administration depicts the information as vital in its effort to restore online child protection laws that have been struck down by the U.S. Supreme Court."

Do we really want to live in a world where the government has the right to "mine" privately-collected data to further a particular political agenda? (To those of you who think you have nothing to hide: this time the issue is framed as "child protection." If this level of authority is established, what is to stop our government from using this power to investigate the politically-related searches of its opponents? Have you visted a website dealing with any of these issues lately: privacy, environment, taxation policy, this thread, etc.? Who will be in the gunsights will depend simply upon who is in the White House at the time.)

This is an extremely important issue, and I am thankful that Google (unlike Yahoo and Microsoft) has the guts and the foresight to oppose this effort.
 
Luke Skywalker
Member # 3096
 - posted January 22, 2006 07:29
MS didnt want to resist, as they've got enough lawsuits on their hands.
 
Matias
Member # 4216
 - posted January 22, 2006 10:34
My one line comment: Bush is a nosy fucka! He has his head up everyone else’s ass and is not worrying about more important shit. Dammit I turn into a fuckin sailor talking about that idiot!

*ok a little more than one line
 




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