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Posted by TheMoMan (Member # 1659) on November 27, 2011, 06:46:
 
Anarchy, are we there yet?
 
Posted by dragonman97 (Member # 780) on November 27, 2011, 12:03:
 
No?
 
Posted by Ashitaka (Member # 4924) on November 27, 2011, 14:28:
 
no.
 
Posted by The Famous Druid (Member # 1769) on November 27, 2011, 15:48:
 
quote:
Originally posted by Ashitaka:
no.

Who gave you permission to answer that question?
 
Posted by Ashitaka (Member # 4924) on November 27, 2011, 16:32:
 
quote:
Originally posted by The Famous Druid:
quote:
Originally posted by Ashitaka:
no.

Who gave you permission to answer that question?
The signees of the Us constitutin and all those who have followed and have been made to swear an oath to uphold it. So, the US federal government, which by the way, proves I am right.
 
Posted by The Famous Druid (Member # 1769) on November 27, 2011, 18:57:
 
Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not some farcical signing ceremony...

I mean, if I went around calling myself an emperor because some ink-moistened bint had written a note about me, they'd put me away..
 
Posted by Xanthine (Member # 736) on November 27, 2011, 21:45:
 
Nah. When we start looking like Somali, then we'll know we've made it.
 
Posted by zesovietrussian (Member # 1177) on November 27, 2011, 22:20:
 
quote:
Originally posted by Xanthine:
Nah. When we start looking like Somali, then we'll know we've made it.

Luckily, we still have a long, long way to go.
 
Posted by TheMoMan (Member # 1659) on November 28, 2011, 06:35:
 
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Posted by The Famous Druid (Member # 1769) on November 28, 2011, 15:01:
 
Just one more example of Obama's 'Tyranny'.

Oh, wait, it's the other lot who are doing this...

Thank Bob for strong politicians willing to do whatever it takes to protect Liberty!
 
Posted by dragonman97 (Member # 780) on November 28, 2011, 19:14:
 
quote:
Originally posted by zesovietrussian:
quote:
Originally posted by Xanthine:
Nah. When we start looking like Somali, then we'll know we've made it.

Luckily, we still have a long, long way to go.
I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure Xanthine was not talking about poverty or blight and pockets of urban crime, but the complete and utter lawlessness of Somalia. Also, I would question the timeliness of that picture of the Bronx - it looks pretty old. (There are some rundown areas, but almost nothing like that these days, I think.) Somalia is just a disaster, and I'm quite certain we're a far way away from that. The closest the First World got to that was the London Riots, and what Wikipedia calls the "2005 civil unrest in France."
 
Posted by GrumpySteen (Member # 170) on November 28, 2011, 19:43:
 
The biggest difference between anarchy and poverty is the number of dead bodies in the streets.
 
Posted by zesovietrussian (Member # 1177) on November 28, 2011, 20:18:
 
Dman,

I know what she meant, I'm just pointing out the fact that it is entirely possible for certain parts of the richest country in the world to look like Somalia, or worse. In fact, I can think of quite a few cities that are exactly the opposite of what you described - not small pockets of blight surrounded by nice neighborhoods, but rather small pockets of well-preserved and well-maintained housing stock surrounded by a vast sea of blight (Detroit, Baltimore, Camden, etc.) As far as Bronx picture goes, I believe it's from mid-80s and it does not look nearly as bad now, though some parts of South Bronx are still mighty scary. Here's a great post showing just how bad New York was only a few decades ago.

PS: Your inbox is full.
 
Posted by dragonman97 (Member # 780) on November 29, 2011, 01:12:
 
Wow...that's...not charming. I know NY's had some grim days, but I've either not been to those parts, or wasn't alive for them...or some mix of the two.

Putting things like that out there is important, if for no other reason than to remind people what can be lost. (Though I may disagree with many of his views, Rudy did a pretty good turn on improving NY quality of life, and I mostly favor Bloomberg's work.)

I read an interesting OpEd today, catching up on some backlog from the weekend:
The Death of the Fringe Suburb

In a nutshell - the hellholes of the near future are going to be the strip malls, not the cities. Given the rapid gentrification of many parts of NYC, I would definitely agree with this trend, and would certainly like to see many of those other places bulldozed. Incidentally, you mentioned Detroit - I find their work to 'shrink the suburbs' to be pretty fascinating. It's certainly one way to deal with blight, and probably a good one at that.

P.S. Cheers on the PS. Noted, and sorted.
 
Posted by Xanthine (Member # 736) on November 29, 2011, 13:51:
 
Yeah, I was talking about lawlessness. Doesn't have to go hand in hand with blight or poverty, though I'm not sure prosperity would last long without rule of law.

Those pics fail to impress. I've seen some pretty unimaginable shit in my travels. Believe it or not, we really do still have a long way to fall. Not that that makes what's happened to places like Detroit acceptable, but we've still got a long way to go.

ETA: the push to return to living in the cities as opposed to the 'burbs might be a saving grace for places like the Bronx. However, I'm not sure what will rescue old industrial cities like Baltimore and Detroit. Unless manufacturing returns, or they find a new way to bring in the dollars, the incentive to revitalize just won't be there.

ETA Again: strip malls have always been hellholes, dman.
 
Posted by The Famous Druid (Member # 1769) on November 30, 2011, 02:51:
 
Melbourne was ranked 'The Worlds Most Liveable City' again this year, and the local paper thought it would be interesting to apply the 'Liveability Index' on a smaller scale, to find the most liveable neighbourhoods within the city.

As the map shows, it's the inner suburbs that rate the highest, mostly for the reasons outlined in the article Dman linked to.

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