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Posted by Sprocket (Member # 10210) on April 12, 2011, 13:41:
 
When the Gas Gauge Lies!

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Ran out of gas in a work truck today!! Yay for actually having gas now too, since I filled it up toady for $122.00(USD)! Glad I did not have to pay that bill!

Though on a positive point. I had today positive feedback on the site that I have designed for my current employer. To quote the owner, "Looks Great!".

Check it out if you care.

Heritage Lawn Care LLC

Just what happened to me today!
 
Posted by dragonman97 (Member # 780) on April 12, 2011, 14:18:
 
Hey...nice job!

Bah humbug to the gas situation, but what are ya gonna do? Assuming it's not your day-to-day vehicle, you probably don't track the miles between fill up, so trusting the gauge ought to be the norm.

The website looks 'modern.' I'd suggest it could use a little more 'height' by way of either content and/or images, but it's definitely 'to the point.' I like it. Best of all, it looks like you didn't get burned by normal site design issues.
 
Posted by Sprocket (Member # 10210) on April 12, 2011, 14:22:
 
drangonman,

Am working on getting pictures and other elements to add Height to it.

That think has been floating around IRC chat alot since I have been doing this!
 
Posted by Stibbons (Member # 2515) on April 12, 2011, 18:53:
 
I had that happen in one of our work vans the other month. Apparently, when they run out of diesel (inc the reserve tank) that's a Bad Thing. Makes you think they might get them serviced and check the fuel gauges work a bit more often.
 
Posted by Ashitaka (Member # 4924) on April 12, 2011, 18:59:
 
Don't comlain about gas unless you are paying more thatn 8 USD per american gallon, the current price here.
 
Posted by TheMoMan (Member # 1659) on April 12, 2011, 23:10:
 
____ Whats worse? A conservative saying that a tax cut will help the budget. Trickle down works!!!
 
Posted by Callipygous (Member # 2071) on April 12, 2011, 23:23:
 
Whats worse than people lying to you??

Maybe people telling you a truth you don't want to hear ?

Time for smaller greener wheels perhaps Sprocket?
 
Posted by Xanthine (Member # 736) on April 13, 2011, 03:58:
 
My car's gas gauge is not trustworthy below 1/4 of a tank. It'll be on the floor many miles before it's really empty. But my car is an ugly and faithful old beater so a wonky gas gauge is just part of the package.

quote:
Callipygous's article:
Prof. Richard Muller of Berkeley, a physicist who has gotten into the climate skeptic game, has been leading the Berkeley Earth Surface Temperature project, an effort partially financed by none other than the Koch foundation. And climate deniers -- who claim that researchers at NASA and other groups analyzing climate trends have massaged and distorted the data -- had been hoping that the Berkeley project would conclude that global warming is a myth.

Instead, however, Professor Muller reported that his group's preliminary results find a global warming trend ''very similar to that reported by the prior groups.''

ROTFSMPL! Science wins again, sort of. The faithful of the deniers have no doubt discarded Muller as "one of them" now that he has failed to bring them the results they pined for.
 
Posted by Sprocket (Member # 10210) on April 13, 2011, 12:05:
 
quote:
Originally posted by Callipygous:

Time for smaller greener wheels perhaps Sprocket?

This was a work truck. Going greener is not really an option since we haul heavy equipment like mowers, front end loaders, tractors and the such.

My personal truck when driven properly gets about 23-27 MPG. Though it is a 4cyl 2.3L 5-speed.

Pretty good for an engine not designed to be in a truck!
 
Posted by Callipygous (Member # 2071) on April 13, 2011, 13:00:
 
quote:
Originally posted by Xanthine:
quote:
Callipygous's article:
Prof. Richard Muller of Berkeley, a physicist who has gotten into the climate skeptic game, has been leading the Berkeley Earth Surface Temperature project, an effort partially financed by none other than the Koch foundation. And climate deniers -- who claim that researchers at NASA and other groups analyzing climate trends have massaged and distorted the data -- had been hoping that the Berkeley project would conclude that global warming is a myth.

Instead, however, Professor Muller reported that his group's preliminary results find a global warming trend ''very similar to that reported by the prior groups.''

ROTFSMPL! Science wins again, sort of. The faithful of the deniers have no doubt discarded Muller as "one of them" now that he has failed to bring them the results they pined for.
Of course - they are just so predictable!

(from further on in Prof Krugman's article)
quote:
Just a few weeks ago Anthony Watts, who runs a prominent climate denialist Web site, praised the Berkeley project and piously declared himself ''prepared to accept whatever result they produce, even if it proves my premise wrong.'' But never mind: once he knew that Professor Muller was going to present those preliminary results, Mr. Watts dismissed the hearing as ''post normal science political theater.'' And one of the regular contributors on his site dismissed Professor Muller as ''a man driven by a very serious agenda.''

 
Posted by Ashitaka (Member # 4924) on April 13, 2011, 19:43:
 
quote:
Originally posted by Sprocket:
quote:
Originally posted by Callipygous:

Time for smaller greener wheels perhaps Sprocket?

This was a work truck. Going greener is not really an option since we haul heavy equipment like mowers, front end loaders, tractors and the such.

I disagree, the turbocharged diesels from VW (TDI) are incredibly efficient (and clean). Put them in a ar and you get 60+ pmg, but the bigger ones in trucks still get 30+ mgp. THey just came out with a new work truck the Amoroak, I'm off to see how efficient it is.

i'm back

The huge amorak VW truck gets 7.3 L per 100 km = 32.363 mpg average.

linky, (german)
 
Posted by TheMoMan (Member # 1659) on April 13, 2011, 22:08:
 
____ I have to agree with Ashitaka on this. Shipping companies make money from hauling stuff, they have to buy fuel they do not want to buy very much. Locomotive diesels use very efficient engines, ships also. Linky, Linky

http://www.epi-eng.com/piston_engine_technology/thermal_efficiency.htm
 
Posted by CommanderShroom (Member # 2097) on April 14, 2011, 10:06:
 
Diesels are certainly more efficient than they used to be.

Unfortunately many of these engines are located between the wheel wells of premium vehicles. So maybe it is better to say that Sprocket's company may not have the cash currently to outlay on a fleet highly efficient diesels. Especially considering an old Ford gas guzzler can see some serious mileage before death. And with the general purchase price being relatively low, with a relatively low price tag for service, it is still a viable option.

Though not for too much longer.
 
Posted by The Famous Druid (Member # 1769) on April 14, 2011, 10:53:
 
quote:
Originally posted by CommanderShroom:
Unfortunately many of these engines are located between the wheel wells of premium vehicles.

My Hyundai i30 is hardly a 'premium vehicle', and its 1.6 litre turbo diesel sips 4.1 litres/100 km (that's about 69 miles per real gallon, 57 miles per puny merkin gallon) on the highway, urban figures are 5.7/100km ( 50 / 42 mpg).

And we're not talking about a tiny Science Fiction car like the Smart, it's a mid-sized 5-seater family hatchback.

As far as I can tell, Hyundai don't sell their Diesel models in Merkinistan, probably because they're too fuel-efficient for merkin tastes.
 
Posted by Xanthine (Member # 736) on April 14, 2011, 11:35:
 
Shroom's talking about what can be had in the US, TFD.

Diesel's more expensive here than gasoline. I'm not sure why. It also has a bad rep as a pollutant, probably because of all those old trucks and buses that belch dark exhaust (nothing quite like a face full of that when biking up a steep hill, lemme tell ya).
 
Posted by The Famous Druid (Member # 1769) on April 14, 2011, 13:41:
 
quote:
Originally posted by Xanthine:
Shroom's talking about what can be had in the US, TFD.

Diesel's more expensive here than gasoline. I'm not sure why. It also has a bad rep as a pollutant, probably because of all those old trucks and buses that belch dark exhaust (nothing quite like a face full of that when biking up a steep hill, lemme tell ya).

Yes, but you're stuck in a chicken-and-egg situation.

Companies like Ford make some very nice (and affordable) diesel cars. The Fiesta Econetic sips 3.2 litres/100km (73 miles/US gallon) but it's not sold in America "because Americans don't buy diesels".

Americans don't buy diesels because diesel has a bad rep.

Diesel has a bad rep because the only diesels most Americans see are huge smoke-belching trucks and buses.

Americans don't see modern, clean diesel cars because companies like Ford don't offer them for sale....
 
Posted by CommanderShroom (Member # 2097) on April 14, 2011, 15:08:
 
quote:
Originally posted by The Famous Druid:
Yes, but you're stuck in a chicken-and-egg situation.

You are entirely correct of course on this one.

And I was talking about what can be found here in a US stand point. VW, Mercedes, Volvo, etc. do sell diesel sedans here, but they have a higher price tag than a comparable gasoline engine.

Even truck diesels come at a higher price point. And they are not exactly screaming with efficiency in mind. Part of it is the relatively cheap gas prices that can be had. And another part of it is what many diesel owners use their trucks for.

Then there are EPA concerns. Not sure why, but diesel cars are held to a much stricter standard that an equivalent gasoline engine. Or at least I remember reading something to this effect I think when there was talk about bringing Ford's diesel Focus stateside.

It will be a matter of time before we see this change, but I am pretty sure it will be coming. Just not sure if diesel will do anything for us by then, mainly because the prices have remained consistent with gasoline prices recently. And for a country that spends time on the road like we do, the future of motoring here is really looking bleak.

Makes me glad nothing I own goes over 2.3 liters.
 
Posted by TheMoMan (Member # 1659) on April 14, 2011, 21:42:
 
____ Diesels are sold in the USA, Kubota, and Yanmar make very good tractor and marine supercharged diesels. Many of my friends with sail boats have engines taken out of VW rabbits. Insurance costs on a boat go way down when you take gasoline out of the boat.

____ There are two diesel blends of fuel, one lower in sulfur (OFF ROAD DIESEL) and clean EPA rated for on road. The (ORD) has more BTUs and gives) better millage but is not allowed for highway use. AGCO makes a very fuel efficient farm tractor in the 250HP class, it even has a CVT.

____ Most of the car companies seem to take the attitude if thats what they want we'll sell it.
 
Posted by MacManKrisK (Member # 955) on April 15, 2011, 04:06:
 
quote:
Originally posted by TheMoMan:
____ Most of the car companies seem to take the attitude if thats what they want we'll sell it.

And it is that "follow the trend" mentality that got our beloved automakers into such trouble! If the big three were innovators and gave Americans NEW choices, instead of re-branding the same old stuff, we would be much farther ahead and our economy would not be quite as shitty.

I'm not saying that Detroit makes bad cars, but there just have been scarce few revolutions in automotive technology. The modern American automobile is still operating fundamentally on technology that was invented in the 1860s, there have been refinements in the design, for sure, and machining has gotten better so tolerances are lower, etc. etc. But, we are still hung up on the 4-stroke internal combustion engine, 150 year old technology!

...but I digress... (frequently)

It all comes down to advertising. Americans will believe anything they see on TV, so if the auto companies really wanted to sell us smaller, more efficient (even Diesel) cars, they just need to put more ads for them on TV.
 
Posted by Stibbons (Member # 2515) on April 18, 2011, 01:09:
 
quote:
Originally posted by Xanthine:
Diesel's more expensive here than gasoline.

I think that's the case in most places, though the fuel economy, lower insurance group and emissions tax breaks in the UK at least are supposed to make up for it (verses the higher cost of servicing - it actually isn't that much of a difference with most diesels!).
 
Posted by TheMoMan (Member # 1659) on April 18, 2011, 01:47:
 
____ If Propane were cheaper I would switch over to that as it burns cleaner and does not have summer or winter blends. Diesel on a farm is a nightmare, if I get a storage tank then I have to have a containment moat and an action plan for spills.
 
Posted by zorgon (Member # 546) on April 25, 2011, 04:47:
 
Europe has had great diesels for a while. The reason diesel price in the states has been going up is because they're gradually reducing the sulfur content, which means European-style great diesels are going to be more practical in the states. Yay.

The big clouds of black smoke from diesels is a result of incomplete combustion. Soot and unburned fuel. It's actually not too bad in terms of the big picture but it's still pollution. More efficient diesels are available (like in Europe) but because they burn hotter they produce more sulfur-based pollutants so you need the low-sulfur fuel that never used to be available here. Or so I have read. [Big Grin]
 


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