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Posted by orion (Member # 3439) on March 01, 2005, 14:02:
 
just been on holiday to the states, and couldnt BELIVE the ammount of surcurity there was! its worse then in england, for sure. I didnt realize the americans had it that tight!
 
Posted by TMBWITW,PB (Member # 1734) on March 01, 2005, 14:12:
 
Security at the airports or just in general? Our airports and government buildings have beefed up security quite a bit in the last few years. As far as going to the cinema or walking down the street it doesn't seem any worse than England to me. (Disclaimer: I was in England once for three days, over four years ago, and spent most of that time in London. I have no idea what the rest of the country is like.)
 
Posted by i_need_a_pillow (Member # 2765) on March 01, 2005, 15:54:
 
There are quite a few security measures. I haven't noticed much of a change, but the last time I flew before 9/11 was in 6th grade (2000). I was learning to play the clarinet and brought my instrument with me; every airport stopped me at least once because they thought the clarinet was a pipe bomb.

Since 9/11, I've flown once, and it didn't seem much different.
 
Posted by ewomack (Member # 3225) on March 01, 2005, 16:43:
 
The airport near me is completely different since 9/11. One big change: now no one can go into the concourses and gates without a valid ticket. Before anyone could wander anywhere. That's a big change for that particular airport. Other minor changes include traffic monitoring at the entrance, random bag checks, etc.

The U.S. used to be laughed at by the world for lax (or non-existent) airport security. Some years ago, a French security group once audited an airport in the US (I don't remember which one) they were able to buy tickets under the name of the then world's most wanted terrorist, and they were able to smuggle a fake (but suspicious) "bomb" onto a flight without boarding the flight themselves. Hopefully the US has at least breached that wall of pathetic security.
 
Posted by csk (Member # 1941) on March 01, 2005, 17:38:
 
quote:
Originally posted by orion:
just been on holiday to the states, and couldnt BELIVE the ammount of surcurity there was! its worse then in england, for sure. I didnt realize the americans had it that tight!

Yeah, I even heard that they were confiscating spellcheckers on the way back through! [Wink]
 
Posted by Xanthine (Member # 736) on March 01, 2005, 21:01:
 
Well, the last time I flew was the week of Valentine's Day. I had my Allen wrench confiscated. That thing has more or less lived in my backpack for five years and they finally found it and took it away. I am sure everyone is now safer because I no longer have my allen wrench. :roll:

Airport security has been made to appear much tighter since 9/11. I am not sure the measures are effective. Every now and then you read about breaches. We aren't to the level of Belgium though. I passed through two checkpoints in Brussels. Once to get to the gates, and again halfway down the concourse. The dudes were very thorough but also very polite. Maybe we should send our TSA people overseas for lessons.

The people checking IDs at the ticket counters were also very uptight. They had me take off my glasses because my passport photo does not have me in glasses.
 
Posted by The Famous Druid (Member # 1769) on March 01, 2005, 21:41:
 
Flying a few days after the September 11 attack, aussie airport security took away my nail clippers.

<arab-accent>
Fly this plane into a building, or I'll cut your nails so short it'll really sting
</arab-accent>
 
Posted by Xanthine (Member # 736) on March 01, 2005, 21:51:
 
If I were the pilot I'd tell them I'd bitten my nails off already.

's truth too. :/
 
Posted by spungo (Member # 1089) on March 02, 2005, 04:50:
 
I realise that one shouldn't bring anything inflammatory with you when you're flying to the US, but I didn't think they'd confiscate my copy of Origin of the Species! [Wink]

edit: they told me at the airport that I couldn't take anything sharp onboard - and I thought: "Well, there goes my dress sense!" (Boom! Boom! I kill myself sometimes. [Razz] )
 
Posted by sosumi (Member # 1106) on March 02, 2005, 07:48:
 
quote:
Originally posted by spungo:
I realise that one shouldn't bring anything inflammatory with you when you're flying to the US, but I didn't think they'd confiscate my copy of Origin of the Species! [Wink]

Kansas has a big sheep population? [Razz]
 
Posted by drunkennewfiemidget (Member # 2814) on March 02, 2005, 09:30:
 
quote:
Originally posted by ewomack:
The airport near me is completely different since 9/11. One big change: now no one can go into the concourses and gates without a valid ticket. Before anyone could wander anywhere. That's a big change for that particular airport. Other minor changes include traffic monitoring at the entrance, random bag checks, etc.

The U.S. used to be laughed at by the world for lax (or non-existent) airport security. Some years ago, a French security group once audited an airport in the US (I don't remember which one) they were able to buy tickets under the name of the then world's most wanted terrorist, and they were able to smuggle a fake (but suspicious) "bomb" onto a flight without boarding the flight themselves. Hopefully the US has at least breached that wall of pathetic security.

Anecdotal data. One airport does not a pattern make.

I've heard stories on both sides of the equation.

It's entirely hit or miss, I think. We just hope they hit more than they miss. *shrug*
 
Posted by garlicguy (Member # 3166) on March 02, 2005, 10:14:
 
quote:
Originally posted by The Famous Druid:
Flying a few days after the September 11 attack, aussie airport security took away my nail clippers.

<arab-accent>
Fly this plane into a building, or I'll cut your nails so short it'll really sting
</arab-accent>

Now be fair, Druid. They're only supposed to confiscate nail clippers if they have that little nail-file thingee with the point on it. You know, one might threaten to stab someone with that tiny, dull, flimsy little thing and cause them distress.
[Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by magefile (Member # 2918) on March 02, 2005, 10:14:
 
Here's a repeated anecdote: I fly occasionally, probably 2-3 round trips a year (domestic). Because I'm in a wheelchair, I don't go through the metal detector, but I get patted down. Since 9/11, I've noticed that while the patdowns are more thorough (i.e., more than just "ok, I touched your shoulders, we're done"), they're still not very complete, and the way they search my wheelchair hasn't changed at all (i.e., just a quick glance-over, maybe run their hands around the bottom of the chassis).
 
Posted by Cap'n Vic (Member # 1477) on March 02, 2005, 10:35:
 
I think the security is a bit tover the top and is nothing more than window dressing to make passengers feel secure.

If you can get on a commercial airliner with no weapons you could easily:

Overpower a member of the flight crew and kill them with your bare hands or objects available in the cabin; wine bottle, armrest etc.

Kick the 're-inforced' cockpit door in and force the plane to the ground before anyone could stop you.
 
Posted by orion (Member # 3439) on March 02, 2005, 10:53:
 
erm...cap'n vic? ITS A RE-ENFORCED DOOR! its there to stop people kicking it in!
 
Posted by The Famous Druid (Member # 1769) on March 02, 2005, 12:30:
 
quote:
Originally posted by Cap'n Vic:

If you can get on a commercial airliner with no weapons you could easily:

Overpower a member of the flight crew and kill them with your bare hands or objects available in the cabin; wine bottle, armrest etc.

Scary but true: we were having just this discussion in the office a while back, and a workmate demonstrated how to make a very nasty weapon out of things he'd just carried on a flight. Took about 15 seconds, and every one of the components looked perfectly innocent.

Lets face it, the only way to make flights secure is to make everyone travel in their pyjamas, with no carry-on luggage at all. And you'd have to find some way to recall the thousands of surface to air missiles the US government shipped to Ossama in Afghanistan when he was a 'freedom fighter'. Oh, and while you're at it, recall every sack of fertilizer in the world, and .......
 
Posted by Cap'n Vic (Member # 1477) on March 02, 2005, 13:06:
 
quote:
Originally posted by orion:
erm...cap'n vic? ITS A RE-ENFORCED DOOR! its there to stop people kicking it in!

quote:
Originally posted by orion:
erm...cap'n vic? ITS A RE-ENFORCED DOOR! its there to stop people kicking it in!

Maybe so. But it is a door, and I bet I could kick it in faily quickly. I was on a flight a few weeks ago and had a quick look at the cockpit door. It appeared to be the same old door; arbourite sheet over a one inch hollow core inner. An rigid aluminium band ran around edge. The re-enforcing consisted of a lock and some .02 stainless steel sheeting.
 
Posted by HalfVast (Member # 3187) on March 02, 2005, 17:00:
 
About a month back I went from Detroit to Minneapolis via Chicago. Getting on out and back was nothing unusual. Coat, shoes, change and belt into the tray and through the Xray with my bag (ok the shoe thing is silly). Wasn't as bad as I expected. I really just walked through a both ends leaving me without a good airport security story to tell.
quote:
Lets face it, the only way to make flights secure is to make everyone travel in their pyjamas, with no carry-on luggage at all.
That's it! Let's all fly naked! Well... except for that guy there. [Eek!]
 
Posted by magefile (Member # 2918) on March 02, 2005, 18:19:
 
Why not? Why not make everyone come to the airport, change into paper clothing (like a hospital gown type thing or whatever) and check all their luggage? Especially with the move towards entertainment in the seatback (movies, internet, etc), it wouldn't be a bad idea. In the meantime, you could always buy a book or magazine in the post-security area of the airport.
 
Posted by sumnchai (Member # 3262) on March 03, 2005, 08:19:
 
Buy it with what? They'll have confiscated our coins since you could force someone to swallow a quarter-dollar and then they'd choke to death.

BTW - does anyone else find it ironic that they take your nailclippers and tweezers, but not your keys? I mean, my Volvo key is 2 inches long, serated, and would make a nasty wound. Plus, if I put a key between each finger (alá a homemade brassknuckles) I'm sure I could do quite a bit on damage to someone's soft tissue.
 
Posted by magefile (Member # 2918) on March 03, 2005, 09:18:
 
Maybe pay for it ahead of time? Like it's included with the cost of the ticket, and you just tell the airline what size you want when you buy your ticket.
 
Posted by ooby (Member # 2603) on March 03, 2005, 09:31:
 
In self defense classes, instructors tell you to use keys as a weapon. In additions, some objects don't even need to be fashioned into weapons. Many objects can be used as weapons because A) they feel no pain, and B) they have less give than human body parts.
 
Posted by orion (Member # 3439) on March 03, 2005, 09:46:
 
I get that totaly
it would be pretty easy I think to beat someone to death with a suitcase. or metal object. or anything really.
 
Posted by Stereo (Member # 748) on March 03, 2005, 10:26:
 
Kinda reminds me of a story from a detective manga, where a woman used the underwire from her bra (previously sharpened) to kill someone in a plane. Went to the bathroom with the victim, took the wire from her bra, pushed the wire through his heart, leaving almost no marks. (I can't remember if the victim was sedated/drugged or not.)

It may not be realist, but I'm sure some people here will be more than happy with the thoughts they'll get from that story.
 
Posted by dragonman97 (Member # 780) on March 03, 2005, 10:57:
 
Oh...I've discussed this stuff with a number of people - it's practically a joke. I'm a white hat, but like many white hats, I'm capable of thinking like a black hat, and I can imagine a ton of ways stuff could be done with just carryon items. The only difference between myself and black hats is that I have no intent to act on them, nor will i disclose them, lest anyone get any bad ideas they wouldn't have had otherwise. Nevermind the fact that this is a public location, can be read by...um.../anyone/. Personally, I don't smoke anything, so I'm not in the mood for a good Cuban right about now. [Razz]
 
Posted by Tut-an-Geek (Member # 1234) on March 03, 2005, 14:04:
 
I had to go through a metal detector to enter the post office museum last week [My watch, spare change, and belt buckle did not set it off, but they always do at airports and did in a Senate Office Building that afternoon]. They "randomly" selected an Indian friend of mine for a pat down. There were guards walking arround the museum with guns.

...
right...
 
Posted by Serenak (Member # 2950) on March 03, 2005, 18:30:
 
If you know how you can kill/disable people very easily with little or no weapon (keys, coins, unbent paperclip, bare hands).

As for sabotage, well these days a paper clip or tiny bit of wire would do... How hard is it to fry a MoBo with static/shorting a few connections???

Any of you ever blown a PCB while trying to fix it? Not to hard to do by accident, so supposing you know what you want to b0rk even a sharp pencil and a coin would serve I reckon...

PS Used to get stopped all the time as a "20 something long haired troublemaker" Now I am a "longhairied 40 something family man with small child" I'm apparently harmless, or at least less worthy of a heavy security check...

Moral - if suicide bombers take their small childern with them they'll be considered harmless...???? I damn well hope not. But that is the feeling I get...

Why can't these people see the real risks and stop worrying if my packet of Minty Toffees might be drug twists? Like... Deerrrrr!!!


[Confused]
 
Posted by Luxxie (Member # 3549) on March 05, 2005, 14:18:
 
I live in the United States, but my family lives in Canada, so I'm a veteran at crossing borders. I ALWAYS get stopped and checked, even above and beyond normal security. It's ridiculous! I just want to scream "Yes, I, with my pink hoodie and braids, am a threat to the nation. I've got a bomb hidden right under my Rubiks Cube." In some ways the security is good, but mostly it just makes me homocidal to be in an airport.
 
Posted by Chesty (Member # 2460) on March 05, 2005, 14:32:
 
I just go to FBO and get on my plane and go. no security except my pilot and co-pilot.
 
Posted by cruz (Member # 3689) on March 11, 2005, 10:43:
 
Hi, I'm new to the forum and I find this thread pretty interesting. I like the "death by underwire bra" posting [thumbsup]
Orion, where did you visit in the states? The security in the smaller airports isn't too bad. It's really a matter of leaving the house earlier to catch your flight. Although, I work from home as a prevage consultant, so I guess I don't have to worry about commuting from country to country for work or anything. I don't get out much, sadly.
 
Posted by Destiny Eternity (Member # 3690) on March 11, 2005, 11:39:
 
security is beefed up, but there are still many idiots employed serving as security personnel.

All I know is that I fly enough that if someone wants to hijack a plane that badly, they can McGuyver anything they want to make it into a weapon and I will be the first to stand up and pound their ass into a pile of raw meat.

[evil]
 


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