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Posted by boo (Member # 5991) on June 05, 2007, 17:13:
 
Avril Lavigne's latest song. Ugh!! I hate that song. I hate it for so many reasons. Actually, I like the tune, but the lyrics, I hate the whole sentiment behind them. I was really surprised that she put out this song and I haven't heard any negative comments on it (though it's quite possible I just haven't seen them).

To me, it's completely the wrong message to be sending. Even the video is insulting. It bothers me that young girls will hear it and think it's okay. It just sucks!!!

And if by some stroke of luck you haven't heard it, basically it's about a girl that sets her sights on a boy and decides to get rid of his girlfriend, telling him, "I don't like your girlfriend," and even saying things like, "She's so .. whatever, you can do so much better," and "She's so stupid, what were you thinking?" [Roll Eyes] [Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by Ugh, MightyClub (Member # 3112) on June 05, 2007, 18:49:
 
I haven't been impressed with the snippets I've heard from Avril's latest disc. She seems to be headed in the wrong direction for my tastes. I liked every song on her debut album (particularly some of the ones not played on the radio), but only a handful from the second album. I guess she can only go back up from here, eh?
 
Posted by WinterSolstice (Member # 934) on June 05, 2007, 20:29:
 
I really thought Avril's first disk was an immature work of an artist who had some potential... aside from the "I'm not into parties, and I always wear underwear" quote, I've written her off as just another hack.

Sad. I hope she goes the Madonna route and rises from the ashes to become a better musician.
 
Posted by dragonman97 (Member # 780) on June 05, 2007, 20:54:
 
Ignore mass media, and you won't have to suffer all these problems.

I didn't even know she was still around until the other day, when I finished watching a DVD with my girlfriend, and Avril was singing on some show. It took me a little to recognize her, as she's seemingly very /blonde/ now. That's kind of scary and/or pitiful, given her past image...

Even then, I didn't know anything about this song, as I didn't pay any attention to it, and turned off the TV. [Smile]
 
Posted by boo (Member # 5991) on June 05, 2007, 21:05:
 
Well I liked several of the songs off her first album and thought they showed a strong talent and a fair amount of depth for someone so young. But then I found out she had a writing partner. [Roll Eyes] A much older, more experienced, writing partner, lol.

But anyway, back to this song. Being men you both may see it differently than I do, but I see it as more than a supposedly cutesy attempt to get the guy she wants, and more as a rather vicious attack of said boy's current girlfriend. Haven't we had enough of women being bitchy to one another to last for .. oh, say, the rest of time?

In the video, which I only saw once, his girlfriend is this cute little, somewhat geeky, somewhat demur red head with glasses. (I actually think she played that part, as well.) To me, she was adorable. Then on to the scene bursts the bleach blonde sterotypical cheerleader-bitch type.

[Roll Eyes] Yawn.

Granted, Avril is still young and maybe she doesn't realize this part has been played a thousand times before, but someone around her should have told her. And also told her that it's not very pc to put down other women, especially stereotypes like that and call them stupid, etc. I'm the last person to worry about pc stuff, but even I was bothered by it. I really can't believe she did something so dumb. Yet, it's getting plenty of air time, so maybe other people like it. I just wish somebody, a vj, dj, whomever, would point out some of the things I'm saying and make those who haven't even thought about it, including (probably) Avril herself, pause and think. But that's probably too optimistic of me. [Big Grin]
 
Posted by boo (Member # 5991) on June 05, 2007, 21:11:
 
quote:
Originally posted by dragonman97:
Ignore mass media, and you won't have to suffer all these problems.


Well, I would disagree with that sentiment because regardless of what you and I may individually choose to "turn off," we can't turn off the influences of pop culture. You know, I have never bought a madonna cd. I can only name one song of hers (a very old one.) It hasn't exactly hurt her career. [Big Grin] Never seen Survivor or Fear Factor or the Sopranos. But somehow I know that the Sopranos show is about to end, Elizabeth Hassleback was on the second season of Survivor and people ate bugs on Fear Factor.

Even when you don't care about certain aspects of Pop Culture, it finds you and beats you over your head with itself. Lindsay and Paris, anyone? [Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by Sxeptomaniac (Member # 3698) on June 05, 2007, 21:33:
 
I happened to hear the song just a little while ago on the way back from the gym. It wasn't long before I couldn't help laughing at it. The immaturity of the whole thing was so over-the-top it sounded like a parody. Dr. Demento ought to be playing it (I haven't listened to that show in so long I had to check if he's still on the air).
 
Posted by Callipygous (Member # 2071) on June 06, 2007, 01:00:
 
Is the song ironic? Are we supposed to admire the character she is portraying?
 
Posted by fs (Member # 1181) on June 06, 2007, 01:29:
 
quote:
Originally posted by Callipygous:
Is the song ironic? Are we supposed to admire the character she is portraying?

I was just wondering that, especially based on Sxeptomaniac's equating it with parody. Could be commentary on exactly the things that boo interprets it as representing, which would fit a little better with Avril's image, I think. I haven't heard it or seen a video for it. I'm not going to buy a bad CD to hear a bad song.

Here's the lyrics, anyway:
[Chorus]
Hey! Hey! You! You!
I don’t like your girlfriend!
No way! No way!
I think you need a new one
Hey! Hey! You! You!
I could be your girlfriend

Hey! Hey! You! You!
I know that you like me
No way! No way!
No it’s not a secret
Hey! Hey! You! You!
I want to be your girlfriend

[Verse 1]
You’re so fine
I want you mine
You’re so delicious
I think about ya all the time
You’re so addictive
Don’t you know what I could do to make you feel alright?
Don’t pretend I think you know I’m damn precious
And Hell Yeah
I’m the motherfucking princess
I can tell you like me too and you know I’m right

[Bridge]
She’s like so whatever
You could do so much better
I think we should get together now
And that’s what everyone’s talking about!

[Chorus]

[Verse 2]
I can see the way, I see the way you look at me
And even when you look away I know you think of me
I know you talk about me all the time again and again
So come over here, tell me what I want to hear
Better yet make your girlfriend disappear
I don’t want to hear you say her name ever again
(And again and again and again!)

[Bridge]

[Chorus]
In a second you’ll be wrapped around my finger
Cause I can, cause I can do it better
There’s no other
So when's it gonna sink in?
She’s so stupid
What the hell were you thinking?!


It seems kind of repetitive to me, but reads more like commentary on the girls that behave that way than an endorsement of boyfriend stealing.
 
Posted by iWanToUseaMac (Member # 4993) on June 06, 2007, 04:41:
 
well the song has been on the top 10 for 14 weeks, I doubt there's something evil on it!
I feel like it's more a parody on the archetype of the jealous teenage girl.
 
Posted by TSG (Member # 8350) on June 06, 2007, 06:32:
 
Avril is... well, Avril. Love her, hate her - I typically hate her.

But with this song, she's giving the real Mfking princesses (of which I am one) a bad name.

Go play with your husband, Avril! And leave the princesses alone!
 
Posted by fs (Member # 1181) on June 06, 2007, 07:15:
 
What, exactly, is an Mfking princess? [Confused]
 
Posted by spungo (Member # 1089) on June 06, 2007, 07:47:
 
quote:
Originally posted by fs:
What, exactly, is an Mfking princess? [Confused]

Anything to do with the Royal family of Mafeking?

(crap joke:
--- knock knock
who's there?
Mafeking
Mafeking who?
Mafeking car won't start, can I use yer phone? )
 
Posted by TSG (Member # 8350) on June 06, 2007, 08:28:
 
quote:
Originally posted by fs:
What, exactly, is an Mfking princess? [Confused]

I edited her lyrics in case someone would be offended.

M*th*rf*c*ing princess, right out of her lyrics [Razz]
 
Posted by Bibo (Member # 1959) on June 06, 2007, 08:46:
 
I heard her perform it on Saturday Night Live and knew I had heard the song before, Lush sings a song called "I Wanna Be Your Girlfriend" on the 1996 album "Topolino" the credits on the song are "Dunbar/Gargwer" and I believe the entire album is cover tunes. The lyrics are are a little different on the Avril version but the tune is the same. I wonder who is credited on her album.
 
Posted by boo (Member # 5991) on June 06, 2007, 11:40:
 
Hey Bibo, I was interested to hear that, so I wanted to listen to the song. Unfortunately, Napster only has three songs off that cd. I'll have to see if I can find it, elsewhere. Thanks for mentioning that.

Edit: Oh wait, no. That's a different group. That was Diringer. They don't have anything by Lush called Topolino. (How is it possible that two groups would pick that name for a cd? [Confused] ) Anyway, if you have a link, please post it. I'm going to keep trying to find it though.
 
Posted by fs (Member # 1181) on June 06, 2007, 14:17:
 
quote:
Originally posted by TSG:
quote:
Originally posted by fs:
What, exactly, is an Mfking princess? [Confused]

I edited her lyrics in case someone would be offended.

M*th*rf*c*ing princess, right out of her lyrics [Razz]

Ah. I see. I thought maybe it was some sort of gangsta thing.
 
Posted by LemonSmuggler (Member # 7701) on June 06, 2007, 14:19:
 
Avril is a mean, snippy, crude, lame, immature girl who, despite being married and being in her 20's, still acts like the Queen Bee of the high-school.

Okay...got that off my chest. [Big Grin]
 
Posted by fs (Member # 1181) on June 06, 2007, 14:56:
 
quote:
Originally posted by LemonSmuggler:
Avril is a mean, snippy, crude, lame, immature girl who, despite being married and being in her 20's, still acts like the Queen Bee of the high-school.

Okay...got that off my chest. [Big Grin]

"Avril Ramona Lavigne-Whibley (born September 27, 1984) is a Grammy nominated Canadian pop singer and musician. She has sold over twenty-six million albums worldwide. In 2006, Canadian Business Magazine ranked her the seventh most powerful Canadian in Hollywood."

And she's not in jail, rehab, or flashing her nude genitals at the paparazzi. Avril's o.k. by me.
 
Posted by Steen (Member # 170) on June 06, 2007, 15:07:
 
Erm... not to drift or anything, but why is the topic titled "I don't like your boyfriend" when the song is titled "I don't like your girlfriend?"

Not that a lesbian oriented remake of the song wouldn't be interesting, mind you.
 
Posted by boo (Member # 5991) on June 06, 2007, 16:29:
 
Juan, in future, please bring all such concerns and corrections directly to me. (use the service entrance, will you?) And bring martini's. [Roll Eyes]

It's because I messed up. Haha. And I didn't even notice. And apparently nobody else did, either. What a bunch of geeks we are. [Embarrassed]
 
Posted by Steen (Member # 170) on June 06, 2007, 17:05:
 
[Big Grin]
 
Posted by WinterSolstice (Member # 934) on June 06, 2007, 18:46:
 
The service entrance, is it?

My, how this is progressing [Wink]
 
Posted by garlicguy (Member # 3166) on June 06, 2007, 19:07:
 
quote:
Originally posted by fs:
And she's not in jail, rehab, or flashing her nude genitals at the paparazzi. Avril's o.k. by me.

You can't have everything.

Besides, as the song says, two outta three ain't bad. [Big Grin]
 
Posted by dragonman97 (Member # 780) on June 06, 2007, 21:54:
 
Well, I did notice, and wonder why, but really CBA to point it out. [Razz]

/me wasn't in the mood to get flamed, or anything. [Smile]
 
Posted by fs (Member # 1181) on June 07, 2007, 01:22:
 
quote:
Originally posted by dragonman97:
Well, I did notice, and wonder why, but really CBA to point it out. [Razz]

LOL. Same here.
 
Posted by mephisto (Member # 666) on June 07, 2007, 22:11:
 
Most annoying song ever! like what was she thinking. like you know that's really annoying.
Ugh. She sounds like a sweet valley high blonde.
 
Posted by Reedius (Member # 7130) on June 09, 2007, 16:11:
 
Now that i see, the lyrics do suck but i'm not impressed, these wanna-be musicians nowadays are all a bunch of crap.
Pink floyd, the beach boys, the beatles, the velvet underground,etc those a great musicians!
 
Posted by [..Eternal-Lullaby..] (Member # 8957) on June 17, 2007, 16:40:
 
quote:
Originally posted by Reedius:
Now that i see, the lyrics do suck but i'm not impressed, these wanna-be musicians nowadays are all a bunch of crap.
Pink floyd, the beach boys, the beatles, the velvet underground,etc those a great musicians!

Although I do like most of the " modern day pop scene " I am a BIG hunge fan of old stuff as well, ACDC, Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin, KISS, Ozzy, Beatles, Beach Boys, Queen etc.

Where did all the good stuff go?!?!

I was born into the wrong era as I also have a great passion for old R&H musicals [Big Grin]

Avril Lavigne I'm not too fussed about, shame about her going blonde...why does everyone seem to love being a sheep these days...hmmm

Damn you Paris Hilton!
 
Posted by CommanderShroom (Member # 2097) on June 17, 2007, 18:02:
 
quote:
Originally posted by mephisto:
Most annoying song ever! like what was she thinking. like you know that's really annoying.
Ugh. She sounds like a sweet valley high blonde.

And of course the obligatory lyrics...

On Ventura, there she goes
She just bought some bitchin' clothes
Tosses her head n flips her hair
She got a whole bunch of nothin' in there

Never did give her much time. Heard the first album and thought, "well she is very middle of the road."

Kinda ruins my theory that you have to be absolutely brilliant or absolute shite to make it in music...
 
Posted by zesovietrussian (Member # 1177) on June 17, 2007, 21:34:
 
quote:
Originally posted by boo:
Well I liked several of the songs off her first album and thought they showed a strong talent and a fair amount of depth for someone so young. But then I found out she had a writing partner. [Roll Eyes] A much older, more experienced, writing partner, lol.

Avril Lavigne has talent? I think I'm about to die laughing. You just killed me, you murderer! [Razz]

Now here's some real talent.
 
Posted by business attire (Member # 6102) on June 18, 2007, 08:33:
 
ugh! Ze I thought I knew you?

Cryptopsy? Decapitated please?

Or maybe you've started listening to Forever in Terror and Anterior...

You make me sick, I'm going to make Ze cookies.
 
Posted by zesovietrussian (Member # 1177) on June 18, 2007, 09:32:
 
Well hey, I never said I was really into that sort of music, but you have to admit it, she does have talent. As far as Ayreon goes, I'll take The Universal Migrator, thank you very much [Smile]
 
Posted by GameMaster (Member # 1173) on June 18, 2007, 20:30:
 
Pink Floyd and the Beatles aren't old, but the real old stuff is much better than all that.. You need to go back to the neo-romantic era to get to the really good stuff. The music of the Baroque era, Romantic Era and Neo-Romantic Era are 1000x better. You can, however keep the Classical era, as Mozart and his contemporaries are just fluff compared to the "passionate and powerful immortal thunder" of Beethoven.
 
Posted by WinterSolstice (Member # 934) on June 19, 2007, 09:42:
 
Every era has winners and losers. You're just not hearing all the absolute crap that came out in the classical/medieval and baroque periods [Big Grin] (I have heard some HORRID baroque stuff)

Of course, the difference between Corporate Giants controlling music and Emperors and Monarchs controlling music? You get a say with the corps [Smile]
 
Posted by Ugh, MightyClub (Member # 3112) on June 19, 2007, 10:13:
 
Quality is all a matter of personal perspective. Floyd ranks high in my top five favorite artists, but not necessarily because they have intelligent things to say:
quote:
I've got a bike
You can ride it if you like
It's got a basket
a bell that rings
and things to make it look good

I feel so enlightened now [Wink]
 
Posted by Bibo (Member # 1959) on July 07, 2007, 08:44:
 
quote:
Originally posted by Bibo:
I heard her perform it on Saturday Night Live and knew I had heard the song before, Lush sings a song called "I Wanna Be Your Girlfriend" on the 1996 album "Topolino" the credits on the song are "Dunbar/Gargwer" and I believe the entire album is cover tunes. The lyrics are are a little different on the Avril version but the tune is the same. I wonder who is credited on her album.

And now she's being sued by the writers of the song!


Associated Press
Article Launched: 07/06/2007 12:28:05 PM PDT

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — Avril Lavigne faces a lawsuit by the members of a 1970s rock band who claim her hit song "Girlfriend" rips off one of their tunes.
Songwriters Tommy Dunbar and James Gangwer alleged in a lawsuit filed in U.S. District Court that Lavigne and her co-writers lifted their 1979 song "I Wanna Be Your Boyfriend," which was originally performed by new wave band The Rubinoos.

"We are not so naive as to chalk it up to some sort of cosmic coincidence," Dunbar said Thursday. "The lyric, the meter, the rhythm — they're identical."

The first court date has been set for Aug. 28 in Oakland.

A spokeswoman for Lavigne declined to comment.

Videos comparing Lavigne's song with the Rubinoos' tune were among the most popular on YouTube Friday. Nearly half a million people had watched various clips highlighting the similarities between the songs.

The lawsuit is not the first mention of the similarities between the songs. Music critic Stephen Thomas Erlewine, in a review published on Billboard magazine's Web site, noted that the chorus of "Girlfriend" was a "total lift from the Rubinoos' 'I Wanna Be Your Boyfriend.'"

The Rubinoos toured and recorded from 1975 to 1983 and had a hit with a cover version of Tommy James and the Shondells' "I Think We're Alone Now." They also wrote the theme song for the movie "Revenge of the Nerds."


If you go to iTunes and search "Rubinoos" you can hear a clip from the song "I wanna be your boyfriend". And this is the song Lush covered as "I wanna be your girlfriend" (and gave proper credit to).
 
Posted by Snaggy (Member # 123) on July 07, 2007, 09:58:
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3rZEuR242Y

my humble verdict... Hey Hey No way, Avril didn't steal it.

/me sends in the cheerleaders to sue them both.
 
Posted by Steen (Member # 170) on July 07, 2007, 10:34:
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FraPFM2LkM

Musicians have a long history of using bits and pieces, intentionally or otherwise, from songs they've heard. That's how musical genres come into being.

It's sad that we've built a society that is so greedy and litigious that it's starting to destroy the acts of creation that it once fostered.
 
Posted by WinterSolstice (Member # 934) on July 07, 2007, 16:50:
 
That's one of the lamest lawsuits ever. 2 people fighting over an unimaginative and unpleasant hook?

Good grief.
 
Posted by Rhonwyyn (Member # 2854) on July 07, 2007, 20:15:
 
My former law of mass communications professor, Clay Calvert, would have a field day with the prosecution on this case. There's a heck of legal precedent out there for Dunbar and Gangwer to win their case. Avril should've paid attention to what happened to Janet Jackson, Vanilla Ice, the Verve, and others. They all got their butts kicked in court (and many settled out of court in favor of the songwriters). For a concise summary of some of the big cases, see this.

However, it is acceptable use to parody a song. Roy Orbison sued 2 Live Crew for ripping off "Pretty Woman," but the rap group's attorneys successfully argued that the song was just a parody and the court bought it. That was in 1989, and is the case my friends in Apologetix cite in the liners of their Christian parody CDs.

EDIT: Aww, dude! That illegal art site has some awesome stuff on it. For example, this: DeCSS code to break the copy protection on DVDs turned into art in order to disseminate it and the argument/court case surrounding the controversy.
 


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