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Posted by littlefish (Member # 966) on September 17, 2004, 09:02:
 
I just feel like shouting. I've spent 2 hours trying to get my ipod to work as an external drive under windows and I can't do it! Grrrr.

I've got a crappy PC at work that has a screwed CD burner. I want to back up my data, and I thought it would be more convenient to buy a cable (20 fscking quid!) than a usb key.

Having wrangled for ages to get the drive to show up (it assigned itself as drive F, which was already full and wouldn't appear- took me ages to find out how to change that), windows refuses to read HFS+ formatted drive.

I did also spend 20 minutes trying to download the ipod updater for windows, but there's some problem with any non-microsoft browser where it won't download because it can't find the hard disk. Exploder then tells me it won't download 'for security reasons'. It will then let you tell it that it is ok to download but the session has expired on apples servers, and if you try to re-enter the data you get the same security message.

So now I've found that I can pay $30 to get macopener, which should let it work, or I can FTP all my data to my home computer in chunks of 10Mb. Some days I hate my life. Anyway, it's 5 'o'clock on Friday so I can see if some beer will ease the pain. Have a good weekend everyone!
 
Posted by Tut-an-Geek (Member # 1234) on September 17, 2004, 12:17:
 
The trick is to erase it on a mac (or linux machine)
 
Posted by littlefish (Member # 966) on September 17, 2004, 16:15:
 
What do you mean? I could reformat the drive in windows, but it seems a bit extreme.
 
Posted by The Famous Druid (Member # 1769) on September 18, 2004, 06:30:
 
Have you tried booting the PC under knoppix and writing to the iPod from there?

I've never tried it myself, not being an iPod owner, but I believe knoppix has HFS+ support, so it should be able to access the iPod drive.

If you like, you could send me your iPod and I'd be happy to try it out for you [Wink]
 
Posted by Tut-an-Geek (Member # 1234) on September 18, 2004, 06:40:
 
Littlefish: If you run your ipod as FAT32 it will work without worry on a mac or a pc
 
Posted by littlefish (Member # 966) on September 18, 2004, 10:38:
 
OK, so how do I format my drive as Fat32? Do I need to format it from a windows machine? Because that is a pain.
 
Posted by Tut-an-Geek (Member # 1234) on September 18, 2004, 15:16:
 
I think mac os only supports FAT 16? Open up disk utility and format it as "MS DOS" (remember to back up everything off of it first!)
 
Posted by The Famous Druid (Member # 1769) on September 18, 2004, 16:13:
 
quote:
Originally posted by Tut-an-Geek:
I think mac os only supports FAT 16? Open up disk utility and format it as "MS DOS" (remember to back up everything off of it first!)

FAT16 doesn't go anywhere near 40GB, so it's got to be FAT32.
 
Posted by Tut-an-Geek (Member # 1234) on September 18, 2004, 17:36:
 
quote:
Originally posted by The Famous Druid:
quote:
Originally posted by Tut-an-Geek:
I think mac os only supports FAT 16? Open up disk utility and format it as "MS DOS" (remember to back up everything off of it first!)

FAT16 doesn't go anywhere near 40GB, so it's got to be FAT32.
*smack* duh
sorry about that
 
Posted by littlefish (Member # 966) on September 19, 2004, 04:33:
 
If I format it as MS-DOS with disk utility, itunes asks if I want to install the ipod software. if I tell it to do that, it reformats the drive as HFS+. Which seems to me that I need to reformat every time I want to transfer data. Unless I can get the ipod software installed from a PC.
 
Posted by Tut-an-Geek (Member # 1234) on September 19, 2004, 19:37:
 
quote:
Originally posted by littlefish:
Unless I can get the ipod software installed from a PC.

That's what you need to do
 
Posted by littlefish (Member # 966) on September 20, 2004, 07:36:
 
After much messing around it seems to be working now. Thanks for your help!
 
Posted by Rhonwyyn (Member # 2854) on September 20, 2004, 08:45:
 
I'm slightly confuzzled about the iPod after reading this post. (well, to be honest, even beforehand.) So what I want to know is this:

Are iPods better investments than say, a Walkman? I have lots of music on my computer that I've collected over the years that I'd like to take to work with me. I could get a portable CD player and dig up all of my CDs, or I could get an iPod and transfer them from my comp, right?

Do iPods come with rechargeable batteries (kinda like a cell phone) or would I need to buy batteries rather frequently?

Do iPods play .oggs?

Oh, and what other digital music players exist out there? The iPod seems to be the player of choice on GC; any other players out there that y'all like?

How much is too much to pay for an iPod? Are they standardized or do they have varying specs like cars?

Lots of questions, yes, but I'd really appreciate your answers to any or all. :-)
 
Posted by GMx (Member # 1523) on September 20, 2004, 08:56:
 
The first thing some people are going to say is that their too expensive. Not really, you have to pay for quality. iTunes and the iPod makes it easy to transfer music from your CDs to your computer and sync them with your iPod. It comes with a rechargeable battery, so you don't have to buy any. Be sure to RTFM about the battery so you can get the most from your battery. Alas, it doesn't play Oggs, but it does play AAC(mp4), mp3, AIFF and WAV. More info at Apple . [Smile]
 
Posted by Rhonwyyn (Member # 2854) on September 20, 2004, 09:01:
 
I don't have iTunes and I run XP (gah!), but can I use iPod anyway?

Edit: Just read the part about iTunes running on macs and PCs.
 
Posted by GMx (Member # 1523) on September 20, 2004, 09:03:
 
Yes, there's iTunes for Windows. It's free.
 
Posted by Stibbons (Member # 2515) on September 20, 2004, 09:07:
 
Rhonwyyn, at the moment I personally use an old MP3-CD player I picked up from work as an ex-demo model. However, if I had the money, I'd go for one of these. OK, so you don't get the style kudos that you would with an iPod, but you do save a lot of money. And get what IMHO is a better peice of technology.

The iRiver supports MP3, WMA, ASF, WAV and OGG, unlike the iPod which AFAIK only plays MP3 and M4P files (though I could be wrong, I ain't a big expert due to aforementioned lack of money). Also, you can download files from the iRiver onto any PC, record live (voice, shows, etc) straight onto the iRiver, and you also have a built in FM tuner, all of which you can't with an iPod [thumbsup]

On the negative side it won't play iTMS downloads, but you can't have everything. Also playlist creation is a bit of a fiddle - I think you have to use Winamp playlists or something along those lines. But talking to people who own either the iHP-140 or iHP-120 (the 20Gb model) they've had no major problems with them. So if you're after style, go with an iPod; if you want functionality and value for money, get an iRiver.
 
Posted by Rhonwyyn (Member # 2854) on September 20, 2004, 09:11:
 
I tried to sign up at freeiPods.com, but after inputting my info, it wouldn't load the referral page. Guess I'll try my local Macheads store to see if I can find a good iPod for less than $400. Even less than $200 would be great. :-D

...didn't realize how expensive these things are. May have to put them on birthday/Christmas wishlist. :-/
 
Posted by Rhonwyyn (Member # 2854) on September 20, 2004, 09:16:
 
Stibbons, on this side of the pond, the iRiver is more expensive than the iPod. Thanks for the suggestion, though. I'll definitely check it out more thoroughly... see if it's worth the added investment.
 
Posted by GMx (Member # 1523) on September 20, 2004, 13:28:
 
The iPod can store files. You also get the three games, calendar and address book. You can record with the iPod, as well as store digital photos. So, it doesn't have a radio. If I wanted to listen to the crappy music on the radio, I could buy a cheap FM radio for $10.
 
Posted by Bibo (Member # 1959) on September 20, 2004, 13:55:
 
The only players I see where an FM tuner would be nice are the flash based players that can only hold 2 - 6 CDs worth of music. Otherwise with thousands of songs & audio books on my iPod why would I want to listen to radio? (Actually except for NPR why would I want to listen to any radio?)

FYI the iPod plays the following audio formats:

AAC (16 to 320 Kbps), MP3 (32 to 320 Kbps), MP3 VBR, Audible, AIFF, Apple Lossless and WAV
 
Posted by The Famous Druid (Member # 1769) on September 20, 2004, 15:10:
 
quote:
Originally posted by GMx:
The iPod can store files.

But getting music files off the iPod onto a PC or Mac is (deliberately) difficult.

You can record with the iPod,

This is my major gripe with the iPod.

You have to pay extra for a basic feature that would have cost them about $1 to build in.

What would you rather have, a sleek little iPod, identical to the ones they sell now, except there's a tiny, almost invisible hole in the case for the built-in mic, or an iPod that cost you $US40 more, and has a big ugly lump attached to one end?
 
Posted by zboy (Member # 2969) on September 20, 2004, 15:40:
 
So you want to know if the iPod is a good investment. Well first of all the price of the iPod has come down, considering what you get. The default price for a 20gig iPod is $299, and the price for a 40gig is $399.
HP is now making an Apple authorized iPod as well and should be better stocked so expect prices to go down.
It plays most music formats and if it doesn't you can always burn a CD and import it into iTunes.
The usability if an iPod is great. You can easily navigate to your favorite song, playlist, album, genre, etc. You can easily create on the go playlist.
The iPod works seamlessly with iTunes. I have never lost one song through iTunes. I used to use MusicMatch and it lost songs or albums all the time. You can run an iPod on Mac or XP which is a plus and it works as an external harddrive which comes in handy.
You can't talk about the iPod without talking about iTunes. iTunes is great and also comes with the most legal freedom that I have seen. You can burn a song unlimited times and even legally share your music over a network. I love my iPod.
And yes it has a rechargable battery.
 
Posted by GMx (Member # 1523) on September 20, 2004, 16:05:
 
There are shareware and freeware programs that allows you to move your music files from an iPod to a computer.

And Druid, I like my big, ugly lump. [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Cap'n Vic (Member # 1477) on September 20, 2004, 17:19:
 
What about your big ugly, lump? [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Tut-an-Geek (Member # 1234) on September 20, 2004, 18:19:
 
quote:
Originally posted by GMx:
There are shareware and freeware programs that allows you to move your music files from an iPod to a computer.

Or you could just open the /Volumes/*Your iPod Name Here*/iPod_Control/.Music folder :-P

Seriously though, I've heard good things about the [url= http://"http://reviews.cnet.com/Rio_Karma_20GB/4505-6490_7-30474134-2.html?tag=top"]Rio Karma[/url] (MP3, OGG, FLAC, and more?)
 
Posted by greycat (Member # 945) on September 22, 2004, 07:07:
 
quote:
Originally posted by Rhonwyyn:
Do iPods play .oggs?

Oh, and what other digital music players exist out there?

Hardware Ogg Vorbis players.
 
Posted by greycat (Member # 945) on September 22, 2004, 07:20:
 
quote:
Originally posted by zboy:
iPod [...]
It plays most music formats

Not by a long shot.

quote:
and if it doesn't you can always burn a CD and import it into iTunes.
So... your suggestion is to take a lossy audio file, decode it, then re-encode it with a different lossy codec? That's a great way to get even less quality than you started with....

(Granted, if you still have access to the original CD from which the Ogg file was ripped, you could re-rip that CD and encode it in whatever proprietary, patent-encumbered codec the iPod can play... or you could spend $100 less and get a Neuros that plays Oggs and MP3s, and has a built-in FM radio transmitter.)

quote:
The iPod works seamlessly with iTunes.
Well of course. They're both created by the same company.

quote:
You can't talk about the iPod without talking about iTunes.
Good monkey. Extra food pellet for you tonight!

quote:
iTunes is great and also comes with the most legal freedom that I have seen.
Except the freedom to share my songs.

And the freedom to listen to other people's songs.

And the freedom to avoid paying money to the RIAA.

And the freedom to use Linux.

And....

quote:
You can burn a song unlimited times and even legally share your music over a network.
Oh really?

If I buy a Metallica song from iTMS and decode it and re-encode it to MP3 format, I can then go ahead and stick it in a KaZaa shared-music folder? And the RIAA can't sue me?

Boy, are you in for a rude shock one of these days.... [shake head]
 
Posted by GMx (Member # 1523) on September 22, 2004, 08:27:
 
 - It's getting old, Greycat. I can think of more important things to be pissed about.
 
Posted by dp004i (Member # 1177) on September 22, 2004, 08:57:
 
quote:
Originally posted by Tut-an-Geek:
quote:
Originally posted by GMx:
There are shareware and freeware programs that allows you to move your music files from an iPod to a computer.

Or you could just open the /Volumes/*Your iPod Name Here*/iPod_Control/.Music folder :-P

Seriously though, I've heard good things about the Rio Karma (MP3, OGG, FLAC, and more?)

...from the cnet page:
Editor's note: More than a few Karma users, including some at CNET.com, have experienced hard drive problems or even failure after several months of use.
Might be a good idea to search for a slightly used 3G ipod instead, people are selling theirs cheap so they can get the new click wheel model. Or, better yet, buy a new one with a powerbook and get the cram&jam rebate - can't beat a $70 ipod [Smile]
 
Posted by Tut-an-Geek (Member # 1234) on September 22, 2004, 11:50:
 
quote:
Originally posted by dp004i:
quote:
Originally posted by Tut-an-Geek:
quote:
Originally posted by GMx:
There are shareware and freeware programs that allows you to move your music files from an iPod to a computer.

Or you could just open the /Volumes/*Your iPod Name Here*/iPod_Control/.Music folder :-P

Seriously though, I've heard good things about the Rio Karma (MP3, OGG, FLAC, and more?)

...from the cnet page:
Editor's note: More than a few Karma users, including some at CNET.com, have experienced hard drive problems or even failure after several months of use.
Might be a good idea to search for a slightly used 3G ipod instead, people are selling theirs cheap so they can get the new click wheel model. Or, better yet, buy a new one with a powerbook and get the cram&jam rebate - can't beat a $70 ipod [Smile]

Yay! Give a company 1500 dollars for something that you can buy from another company for 1100 and get 200 dollars back! w00t!
 
Posted by Stereo (Member # 748) on September 22, 2004, 12:45:
 
quote:
Originally posted by dp004i:
quote:
Originally posted by Tut-an-Geek:
Seriously though, I've heard good things about the Rio Karma (MP3, OGG, FLAC, and more?)

...from the cnet page:
Editor's note: More than a few Karma users, including some at CNET.com, have experienced hard drive problems or even failure after several months of use.

So Rio suffers from "bad Karma?" [Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by csk (Member # 1941) on September 22, 2004, 14:24:
 
quote:
Originally posted by GMx:
 - It's getting old, Greycat. I can think of more important things to be pissed about.

You say that now, but if it comes to pass that Windows is the only operating system that can play your music, I suspect you may think differently.
 
Posted by GMx (Member # 1523) on September 22, 2004, 15:21:
 
Not really. There's always my guitar, bass and keyboard. [Razz]
 


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