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Posted by Rhonwyyn (Member # 2854) on March 15, 2012, 21:13:
 
From what I've read, the new iPad isn't much different from the iPad 2. The differences are mostly in the display and the camera, from what I've read.

However, what's the difference between the first iPad and the iPad 2? Is there a big change?

I can't afford a new iPad, but I could swing a first gen iPad. Can I run most apps, use Ravelry and Facebook, and type notes on a first-gen model? They're not totally obsolete yet, right?
 
Posted by Ugh, MightyClub (Member # 3112) on March 15, 2012, 23:11:
 
First generation iPads are significantly slower, thicker, and heavier than the iPad 2 and the "new" iPad. That said, typical apps should still run fine. You should only get into trouble when you're really pushing it, like trying to play the latest & greatest shoot-em-up type games.

The iPad 2 and new iPad are almost identical in size and weight, and their main processor is the same speed. The only speed difference is in the graphics processor, which is significantly more powerful in the new iPad; but that new power is balanced against the quadrupled pixel count on the new screen to some degree.

The new iPad also supports LTE, which will allow you to pay the cell companies more since you'll be able to guzzle data down by the barrel. Oh, oops, I don't think that was the spin they were looking for...

So anyway, if you can still get your hands on an original iPad, I would expect it to be fine for casual use. If you can swing an iPad 2, the shape/size/weight improvements really do make it more comfortable to hold, and the extra horsepower will keep it relevant for longer.
 
Posted by dragonman97 (Member # 780) on March 16, 2012, 00:00:
 
I use a first-gen iPad from work - it's fine, but a bit bulky/heavy.

I'm very disappointed by the fact that the 'new iPad' is heavier than the iPad 2. I don't give a damn what the RDF folks say...it's heavier, and that's the wrong direction!

I really only use my iPad when traveling, or to quickly look things up without sitting down at my laptop. Adding 1.5 lbs to my bag just isn't pleasant - I can get by fine most of the time with my iPod Touch. Still, full-sized maps and PDF reading are invaluable to me when traveling, so I'm willing to put up with it then. Otherwise, I just throw a good book and/or a newspaper in my bag and call it a day. [Smile]
 
Posted by Snaggy (Member # 123) on March 16, 2012, 10:51:
 
We have the original iPad, which is great, but those are wise words from Ugh, ... if you can swing for a 2, do!
 
Posted by Rhonwyyn (Member # 2854) on March 16, 2012, 13:58:
 
The iPad 2 is going for about $400 on eBay. Do you guys feel that's a fair price?
 
Posted by HalfVast (Member # 3187) on March 16, 2012, 14:45:
 
Apple store is showing the refurbished 16gb iPad 2 with wifi
for 349.00 and the 32gb model for 399.00 Depends on who's
selling on eBay.
 
Posted by dragonman97 (Member # 780) on March 16, 2012, 19:18:
 
quote:
Originally posted by Rhonwyyn:
The iPad 2 is going for about $400 on eBay. Do you guys feel that's a fair price?

That's a horrible price on eBay. You can buy the iPad 2 from Apple for $399 list retail, NEW!
 
Posted by macmcseboy (Member # 1232) on March 16, 2012, 20:36:
 
I'm not selling my original 16GB wifi. I like it and its hand for what I need it to do. I might buy one of the store demos we have when our 2S/3 demos come in.The only reason the New iPad is thicker is because of the LTE chipset and CPU, both use more juice. Next iteration will be slimmer for sure. Use my iPhone for photos and other stuff. One more reason for to keep mine is that it's a collectors piece! It's marked Demo-NFR on the back!
 
Posted by macmcseboy (Member # 1232) on March 16, 2012, 20:40:
 
PS. Thankfully I did not have to iBouncer 2.0 for this release... last year was stupid.. We had a line that I had to manage that went all the way down the block to the starbux!
 
Posted by Rhonwyyn (Member # 2854) on March 17, 2012, 00:14:
 
quote:
Originally posted by HalfVast:
Apple store is showing the refurbished 16gb iPad 2 with wifi
for 349.00 and the 32gb model for 399.00 Depends on who's
selling on eBay.

Yikes! Now, granted, the models going for $400 are the 64Gb, WiFi + AT&T.

16Gb seems small to me. Is the memory expandable later, or are you stuck with what you got? I'm trying to figure out if I'd be fine with 16Gb, since I doubt I'd load music on it, or if I should go with the 32 or 64.
 
Posted by Snaggy (Member # 123) on March 17, 2012, 10:33:
 
IMHO, you won't need 64. For your average websurfing, 16 should be fine. If you plan on having fun with GarageBand, and watch movies, or lots of books, go for 32
 
Posted by Rhonwyyn (Member # 2854) on March 18, 2012, 15:34:
 
quote:
Originally posted by Snaggy:
IMHO, you won't need 64. For your average websurfing, 16 should be fine. If you plan on having fun with GarageBand, and watch movies, or lots of books, go for 32

Thanks so much for the advice, O Benevolent One! I don't know what I'd do if I couldn't ask questions like this here.

Which reminds me, I'm way overdue to re-up my SuperFan status. How do we do that again?
 
Posted by spungo (Member # 1089) on March 19, 2012, 07:18:
 
Or, you could just get a BlackBerry Playbook, which at $199 (for the 16Gb model) is a comparative steal (and you'd be supporting Canada's goal of World Domination, too! ;-) ) I have a playbook, and it's lurvely.
 
Posted by Snaggy (Member # 123) on March 19, 2012, 17:23:
 
N/P Rhon, I hope you find one you love.


SuperFan page:
http://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/subscription.html

(much appreciated, as things are pretty tight here lately.)
[cry baby]
 
Posted by The Famous Druid (Member # 1769) on March 20, 2012, 02:57:
 
I'll take that as a reminder then...
 
Posted by zesovietrussian (Member # 1177) on March 20, 2012, 09:49:
 
HP Touchpad with Android is another good option, you should be able to find one for around $200.
 
Posted by Rhonwyyn (Member # 2854) on March 20, 2012, 10:14:
 
quote:
Originally posted by spungo:
Or, you could just get a BlackBerry Playbook, which at $199 (for the 16Gb model) is a comparative steal (and you'd be supporting Canada's goal of World Domination, too! ;-) ) I have a playbook, and it's lurvely.

But can you play Angry Birds on it? [Razz]
 
Posted by Snaggy (Member # 123) on March 20, 2012, 12:49:
 
Thanks Rhon and Druid! [hearts]
 
Posted by GrumpySteen (Member # 170) on March 20, 2012, 13:19:
 
Rhonwyyn wrote:
But can you play Angry Birds on it? [Razz]

Yes.

In all fairness, though, there's not much you -can't- play Angry Birds on. It's been ported to almost every platform that could possibly run it.
 
Posted by dragonman97 (Member # 780) on March 20, 2012, 19:04:
 
Serious question: Is the Playbook any good / worth getting for a geek?

Related question: Does it have a good map application that caches tiles?

When I take leave of my current employer (voluntarily or otherwise), I doubt the generosity of an iPad will be offered, and I may find myself seeking a good tablet that doesn't cost $500. Barring a good candidate, I'd probably go for and iPad 2 and save $100.

Just for grins, I visited the Apple Store this weekend and I can't say that I'm that impressed by the new iPad. The pictures in the album should have been much crisper IMHO. OTOH, the text in the address bar was /gorgeous/. (Seriously...nice antialiasing!) I was much more impressed by the newer Macbook Air - I think that might be more interesting to me when traveling than the iPad! To me, the iPad is on the heavy end of tablets, whereas the MacBook Air is on the improbably light end of [*useful*] laptops - and the latter statistic is far more impressive to me.
 
Posted by spungo (Member # 1089) on March 22, 2012, 07:02:
 
quote:
Originally posted by dragonman97:
Serious question: Is the Playbook any good / worth getting for a geek?

Related question: Does it have a good map application that caches tiles?

Well, it's good for lying on the sofa and surfing. The 7 inch size is just right -- big enough to read the damn thing, yet not as cumbersome as a full tablet. I'm impressed with it's HD movie playing capabilities (apparently you can hook it up to a telly, if you have the right HDMI cable!)

I don't know anything about your map question. Also, I've been told that the app spectrum is a bit weak -- but that may improve over time as its sales improve -- and the $199 price point should do that. From a geeky point of view, the underlying OS is QNX, and I've heard tell of folk doing some trickery to enable ssh access to the device, though I have not tried this myself. Also, if you wish to write apps for the playbook, they support a C/C++ native mode as well as AIR and, I think, Java. Apparently you can port Android apps across without too much bother. HTH.

edit: Oh, and so far I've only managed to do a USB file transfer to/from a Windows machine -- couldn't get me Linux box to recognise it, and BlackBerry only seem to have windows drivers on it -- but I may be wrong...
 
Posted by The Famous Druid (Member # 1769) on March 30, 2012, 00:04:
 
And the mother-in-law of the year award goes to.....
<drum-roll>......</drum-roll>
Mrs MacDruid-in-law!

Mrs Druid's mum just bought a shiny new iPad-don't-call-it-3, so her 'old' iPad 2 has gone into 'retirement' at Casa del Druid.

I haven't really played with the iPad much before now, it's pretty cool.
 
Posted by Snaggy (Member # 123) on March 30, 2012, 10:07:
 
Oh cool Druid!

PS: We're having an iPad case giveaway soon [Big Grin]
 
Posted by dragonman97 (Member # 780) on March 30, 2012, 18:05:
 
TFD: My, that was awfully generous of you to provide a home for such an aged device. [Wink]

Enjoy...and IMHO, you've got the better device. [Smile]
 
Posted by Rhonwyyn (Member # 2854) on March 31, 2012, 20:28:
 
I learned about the Nook Tablet yesterday. My local library recommends it over the Kindle Fire, but I want it more for portable Internet use than to read books.

What do you guys think about it? Comparable to the iPad in any way?
 
Posted by CommanderShroom (Member # 2097) on April 01, 2012, 10:18:
 
Different segments of a market. The Nook seems neat, and I am considering that or the Fire for a sideload project. But as a standalone table for anyone else, probably not.

Have you considered locating an inexpensive netbook? They can be fairly handy depending on your needs.
 
Posted by oldwhatsisface (Member # 46830) on April 01, 2012, 19:29:
 
I had an original iPad, which I gave to a cousin last Christmas, and an iPad 2, which I just gave to my wife, and am now using an iPad "3". All were 3G 64GB top end models. I found the iPad 2 significantly faster than the original version, and a bit lighter and sleeker. On the other hand, the squarish rim on the original iPad made a better mounting point for the charger/adapter cable port and other physical controls than the cut away rounded sides of the iPad 2 & 3.

The original iPad will still run pretty well any apps, though, and is still a nice media access device with a sharp, clear display. The lack of a forward facing camera for Facetime & Skype is it's major drawback, if you use video chat.

I just spent a whole day testing the iPad 2 against the iPad 3, and I honestly can't tell the difference in weight, speed, or display quality. In fact, for the most part, the iPad 2 appeared to have a better display than the iPad 3, improbable as that sounds given the resolution differences and the quad core graphics processor on the new iPad.

I found looking at photos, playing movies or TV shows, and viewing various apps side by side and frame by frame that there was only one app out of nearly  200 tested - Star Walk - that looked noticeably sharper on the iPad 3. And only when viewing the background stars; the photo section actually looked sharper on the iPad 2. In fact, many apps and most books looked sharper on the iPad 2. I am guessing that is because the apps were written for a particular resolution, 1024x768 dpi, and when they are scaled up, or interpolated to fill the larger display area of the iPad 3 instead of occupying only a quarter of it, they look a bit fuzzy, much like iPhone apps expanded to fill the iPad display. You can see the same effect on your desktop display by going to a resolution below the optimal (largest pixel count numbers). The edges of text and objects will look a bit indistinct or fuzzy, not crisp and sharp.

So the ironic result is that the higher resolution display, in my experience, looks more fuzzy and indistinct than the older iPad 1 and 2 displays, which no one was complaining about. I also found the colour saturation and brightness to be better on my iPad 2, particularly in iBooks, although the difference is subtle.

Like everybody else, I have read various reviews claiming that the 'improvement' in resolution and clarity was striking, but I haven't actually found that result in real world side by side testing of photos, movies, and text.

The iPad 3 did not bring the one change I think would be most important: increase the upper storage capacity limit. It is still stuck at 64 GB; unchanged from the original iPad. That really restricts how much audio and video you can store on it for a long trip, for instance.

I think Apple made the wrong choice here: the 'improved' display is at best no better in real world use than the original iPad, and for the most part, fuzzier because of having to interpolate apps intended to be displayed at one quarter that resolution. On the other hand, they could have easily doubled the upper storage limit to 128GB and made the iPad a lot more useful, especially with all the apps that are going to be updated to much higher resolutions so they look better on the iPad 3 display. I noticed that the useable storage capacity of the iPad 2 is listed as 58.4 GB, while the iPad 3 is 57.1 GB, so even without the updated apps eating up the free space, the iPad 3 out of the box has less storage capacity than the iPad 2. In fact, with the identical mix of media and apps on both, the iPad 2 had 9.7 GB of free space, while the iPad 3 had only 3.1 GB! 

So the practical effect of the higher resolution display is to shrink the storage capacity by about 7 or 8 percent while making the text and apps look a bit fuzzy in most applications.

The improved backside camera is a welcome improvement, although given it's size the iPad is not really suited for use as a camera except when it is the only one available. As to the 4G, that will not really kick in for some time yet until the carriers get their networks updated, a process that will take years. In the meantime, the 4G card is really running at 3 G speed.

So the bottom line is that if you already have an iPad 2, don't bother 'upgrading' to the iPad 3 as the difference is indistinguishable. But if you are using an original iPad, then the cameras and greater speed would make it a worthwhile upgrade, although the display won't look significantly different.

Terry
 
Posted by CommanderShroom (Member # 2097) on April 01, 2012, 22:15:
 
First off, welcome to the forums.

I have to say that is probably the most thorough side by side review between the iPad2 and the newest iPad (3, 2+?). Between what you and dman say I am a bit amiss as to the type of thinking that went into this new version of the iPad. It appears to be an upgrade for the sake of upgrading.
 
Posted by Rhonwyyn (Member # 2854) on April 02, 2012, 07:36:
 
This was such a helpful review, Terry. Thanks so much for joining GC and sharing your observations about the iPads. You wouldn't happen to have a review of the Kindle Fire vs. Nook tablet lurking around, would you? [Wink]
 
Posted by Zwilnik (Member # 615) on April 02, 2012, 14:16:
 
quote:
Originally posted by CommanderShroom:
First off, welcome to the forums.

I have to say that is probably the most thorough side by side review between the iPad2 and the newest iPad (3, 2+?). Between what you and dman say I am a bit amiss as to the type of thinking that went into this new version of the iPad. It appears to be an upgrade for the sake of upgrading.

I think Apple are going for the 24 month upgrade cycle with the iPads the same as with the iPhones. So if you've got an iPad 1, then the new iPad is a pretty good upgrade that gets you the camera, better screen, a decent speed boost and the funkier features such as AirPlay. Whereas if you have an iPad 2, it's a bit of an incremental bump and there aren't too many killer features to make you have to upgrade.

As many people were complaining they had to upgrade every year when Apple brought out new stuff, this should at least make somebody happy [Wink]

With the iPhones of course, this 2 year update cycle is driven by the length of mobile phone contracts, so iPhone 3GS owners who are just coming to the end of their contracts will be looking at the 4S for instance.

One other side feature to this sort of upgrade cycle. If you bought a base spec wifi only iPad 2 and you're thinking you really could do with 3G, that gives you a great excuse to upgrade to the new iPad [Wink]
 
Posted by fs (Member # 1181) on July 10, 2012, 15:04:
 
quote:
Originally posted by Rhonwyyn:
I learned about the Nook Tablet yesterday. My local library recommends it over the Kindle Fire, but I want it more for portable Internet use than to read books.

What do you guys think about it? Comparable to the iPad in any way?

For what you want, they're probably both fine. Stop in your local Apple store & your local Barnes and Noble and just try them out with the web pages you want to visit. (I assume you can test drive one at Apple, anyway. You definitely can at Barnes and Noble.)

After you've used both, get the one you like better. [Smile]

(I haven't used the iPad or the Nook tablet, but we have first and second edition e-ink Nooks and B&N has been awesome for support, if that's a factor.)

I've been looking with deep longing at the Samsung Galaxy Tabs, myself, but can't really justify it while my Eee is still humming along.
 


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