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Posted by TheMoMan (Member # 1659) on February 15, 2013, 11:17:
Okay the big news story was the failure of the Carnival Triumph while at sea. Engine room fire, that is a big deal. This is a Diesel Electric Ship, Large diesel engines turn large generators for use aboard the ship, Large Electric motors turn the propellers. From the news reports one of the Big generators caught fire, that in turn may have taken out the electrical distribution system of the ship. At that point the ship is "dead in the water". So Carnival dispatched several deep water salvage tugboats. Tugboats are slow even when not towing a load, think of them as bulldozers, not fast but able to pull huge ships.
Many of the relatives and passengers were complaining about how long it took to get back to port, Boo Hoo, the fire was out and yes conditions were bad, however it did not sink no one got killed, yes air planes are faster however an on board fire on an air plane would not yield the same results.
Posted by GrumpySteen (Member # 170) on February 15, 2013, 19:12:
There's no call for making fun of people who just went through a fairly traumatic experience.
Posted by Ashitaka (Member # 4924) on February 16, 2013, 03:02:
So the problem here seems to have been hygeine once the ships systems' stopped working. but...
Haw many thousands of years has man been sailing? HOw long have we had plumbing on ships? maybe 100 years. Man has know for millienia that oceans and rivers are great ways of gettign rid of human waste. Someone should have rigged up some safety netson both sides of the ship and said ok , port is for men starboard for women. then everyone should have urinated and deficated overboard lke we have for millenia.
But noooo . they needed a speacial throne in a special room. fscking bourgeois pigs.
a timely message from Matt Damon.
2.5 BILLION ( fsck yea i am yelling) don't have access to a clean toilet. Probably their whole lives. And these a$$wipe$ on thier cruise thought the world was going to end because they lacked at toilet that they are used to for a few days.
( I don't count these people as every having experienced the not having a toilet because they could have relieved themselves overboards and therefore had the abilty of proberly disposing of their human waste.
god I am really ranting today, thanks for staying with me this long if you made it.
Posted by TheMoMan (Member # 1659) on February 16, 2013, 08:38:
I was not trying to make light of their ordeal, six months from now they will look back on this incident as the vacation of memories. Now the relatives actually had more info than the people on board. The Triumph class Ships do not have a good record, and the whole Diesel Electric drive type system is suspect.
I am including a link to CNN
This article is long but worth the read.
I have been on cruises before, just not on cruise ships, when the heads screw up it gets messy fast.
Posted by GrumpySteen (Member # 170) on February 16, 2013, 19:50:
I believe your rage is misplaced. The people on the cruise were using plastic bags for that and the crew hauled them off (no clue about whether they got dumped in the ocean or in a garbage storage area).
While some people did complain about having to go in a bag, the majority of toilet-related complaints were about the toilets overflowing and sewage backing up into showers and sinks. Raw sewage is a major health hazard, so those people had a valid reason to complain.
I don't know much about how the sewage systems on a cruise ship work, but I'm going to go out on a limb and say that it's not unlike living in a multi-floor apartment building. When a main line gets clogged, the people up top don't realize it and continue using their bathroom because everything they flush does go somewhere. That somewhere is out of the drains of the people on the bottom floors.
When sewer pumps stopped working on the ship, my guess is that the people on the upper floors didn't realize it and continued using their bathrooms, overflowing the drains on the lower levels with urine, shit and dirty bathwater.
Having experienced a major plumbing failure in a large apartment, I recognize that there probably wasn't much the crew could do about it. There are lots of people who don't know much about plumbing and would be horrified to find out that such a thing could happen and the would, of course, complain. Their lack of plumbing knowledge hardly makes them "fscking bourgeois pigs" who need "a speacial throne in a special room."
Posted by Ashitaka (Member # 4924) on February 17, 2013, 05:25:
well perhaps i was being a little harsh on them but i still don't think they should be comlaining.
Posted by TheMoMan (Member # 1659) on February 17, 2013, 06:11:
Large Ships have a holding tank, not unlike rural septic tanks.
To make sure that if Mr. Gravity does not "Poop flows down hill" there are huge Vacuum cleaner type fans that pull air through the system, in case the ship in in a roll. The system has more items that all fail when the power goes away.
During a power failure the poop does not hit the fan.
Posted by TheMoMan (Member # 1659) on March 16, 2013, 09:47:
It appears that the Cruise industry needs a Chief Engineer (Scotty) with tools and wrenches. Aye Capt'n.
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